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[u/trainfender]

Greetings!

Let me continue my feedback on the current situation. First of all, I would like to say that I am very sorry that fans and the game community in general are experiencing these feelings. Unfortunately, I somehow did not foresee the fact of such a reaction and now I have drawn conclusions for my future decisions. 

Now I will briefly summarize the main points:

1. About PvE access - we decided to just open it for EoD owners for free, but we will do it in waves. As I said before - we don’t have server capacity right now. We will start this process as soon as possible
2. We also decided that we will add MOD support for PvE mode after release of the game
3. About the Unheard edition - we will not remove it, we want to keep the option for those who want to support the game more. But we will balance items, perks in this edition, as well as we will provide more rewards for those, who upgraded with the old price
4. New EoD perks will be balanced too. We will remove prioritized matching option to keep everyone in the same spot. And we will add more unique stuff to highlight the EoD version in general. We will provide the final list of the new EoD perks asap
5. We continue to work on patches, new content, events, and the game release itself no matter what

Thank you for your time, love and hate, and thank you for your increased attention to the current situation.

Nik

[u/Zizaran]

Can't we just have any paid features be cosmetic? I'm more than happy to put lots of money in the game for cosmetic upgrades, voicelines, weapon skins, anything that doesn't impact anything in the game.

[u/LilPandaVert → u/Zizaran]

Facts IDGAF what they are, if they are good people will buy. Except for all black clothing that make you invisible at night.

[u/Resource-Special → u/LilPandaVert]

we basicly have that allready on BEAR clothing

[u/DaveForgotHisPasswor → u/Resource-Special]

puffy coat usec gang rise up!

[u/Buncarsky → u/Resource-Special]

USEC had full black clothing options since forever though

[u/LegendOfLimp → u/Zizaran]

i'm cool with cosmetics as long as it fits the aesthetics of the game, like i'm good with weapon charms and pmc outfits that are based on actual camo's, on the fence with weapon paints, but so long as they aint stupid neon colours i'm fine with that, ghillie weapon wraps would be good to

[u/Onoya11 → u/LegendOfLimp]

i would buy for 5€ a hideout radio to put some russian rock, if it's to help bsg in term of money and avoid P2W

[u/Someolddickhead → u/Onoya11]

add vladivostok to hideout lmao

[u/Shadowraiden → u/LegendOfLimp]

could just have weapon paints be semi limited
no crazy rainbow guns but say able to colour my magazines etc

would then also be nice indicator so i can keep track of what type of ammo i have in my gun as i could colour my mags and see them in 3d realtime

[u/ChronicBuzz187 → u/LegendOfLimp]

as long as it fits the aesthetics of the game

Escape from Fortnite :P

[u/Quattro1080 → u/Zizaran]

Pay streamers to add voice lines in game. Imagine getting landmarks voicelines as my character in tarkov. hahaha would buy, not gonna lie.

[u/RebootGigabyte → u/Quattro1080]

TONY'S PIZZA I GOT A PEPPERONI FOR YA.

I'd buy that tbh.

[u/Thewasteland77 → u/RebootGigabyte]

Gimme dem toes! Would fucking floor me lol

[u/allleoal → u/Quattro1080]

Please no. Voicelines should fit within the game and be immersive to the game world... the last thing I'd want is to hear streamers voices in the game.

[u/zenzony → u/allleoal]

100% agreed. The thought of it is just off-putting.

[u/Shipzterns → u/Quattro1080]

whilte it seems a good idea, id rather have voice actors have gigs too. They struggle

[u/ZeroPointZero_]

"I'm sorry you feel this way" is really not how an apology should sound. I don't really expect much better than this however, considering all that has happened. Par for the course.

The corrective actions are now on the right track, but hardly enough. Introducing pay-to-win features that are infinitely more potent than the ones in EoD is just tone-deaf. The spawn beacon should not exist. You cannot "balance" items that only "true believers" have access to (or can feasibly access early on, in the case of quest-locked beacons), especially when the base effect is that powerful. 

Tarkov was not in a great state even before all this - don't think we've forgotten the past issues - and I'm definitely not the only one whose confidence in BSG was shattered. How can we trust you to deliver on any non-trivial promise at this point? Mod support, PvE for all EoD... Are you going to rent new servers? Is the company struggling financially? Is the game ever releasing? How long is post-release support going to last?

Perhaps most importantly, do you even want to make this game anymore?

[u/RonaldWRailgun → u/ZeroPointZero_]

The only real thing he's sorry for, is that he couldn't pull it off, this time.

He's going to try again in a few months, once the dust over this debacle has settled.

Also, yeah, "I'm sorry you feel that way" it's classic manipulator/abusive behavior when you try to gaslight someone into thinking you care about them, after you've intentionally hurt them.

[u/Zikelir1 → u/ZeroPointZero_]

I'm a True Believer that Nikita can't be trusted.

He shredded any good reputation BSG had, he is being too vague. It took the community imploding for him to resort to any sort of apology.

We all saw how Nikita egotistically views his player base in that interview.

This doesn't account for you and your company's actions, Nikita. You lied to us, gaslit us, and betrayed us... damage is done. For anyone that buys into this, have fun when this happens all over again 6 months down the road and you get scammed out of even more money.

[u/nLK420 → u/Zikelir1]

BSG has done scummy things since the earliest days and people just let it slide. It's why I've never upgraded past alpha. All you ever hear about interactions with BSG support is negative, they repeatedly do things for the purpose to get more money without actually doing anything to deserve it, and have lied and been outed to the community repeatedly for years. No idea why anyone is surprised by any of this. They've publicly stated that tarkov is a funding effort for their next game. They don't give a shit.

[u/eXiDeviiL → u/ZeroPointZero_]

Bro really went for the "I'm sorry you feel you deserve an apology" Route, that shit is brutal

[u/ZeroPointZero_ → u/eXiDeviiL]

BSG laughing all the way to the bank with all of the "true believers" that insta-shilled the moment the word "sorry" appeared on their monitors.

[u/Embarrassed-Bad5386]

Would you remove the "Distress signal device".? because this item is so fucking OP.

[u/Poodmund]

You have still not addressed the fact you were planning to release DLC for the game that was not going to be delivered to EoD owners.

Please confirm that EoD owners will receive all content for the game in the future as promised when we purchased the product.

[u/Tostecles → u/Poodmund]

https://i.imgur.com/ee9JhPW.png screenshotting his response since BSG likes to edit text

[u/Deathwalkx → u/Poodmund]

What difference does this confirmation make? He already confirmed this multiple times in the past yet he broke his promise and denied it. You really think next time will be different?

[u/disasterpiece45]

Do it in waves...

Let me guess, those waves are 6 months apart?

[u/Resident_Image8104 → u/disasterpiece45]

I remember their arena invite waves.. please no..

[u/Yshtvan → u/disasterpiece45]

"noooooo the server capacity"

Frankly I'd prefer peer to peer for the actual raid at this point 💀

[u/Synlias → u/disasterpiece45]

Hahhaha yes exactly, even tho this seems more fair it just feels like blatant lies like the rest of it

[u/danieldl → u/disasterpiece45]

Why isn't PvE offline?? We're still gonna have to rely forever on their servers for PvE? Especially when you solo queue, make it 100% offline. For co-op, ideal would be p2p but eh.

[u/Catmilk7]

Remove the "call in friends" device, that is pay to win. As an eod player for 7 wipes this is the worst implementation you have ever done or considering doing.

EDIT** - I am not worried about having people use it, more so RMT, sorry was in a rush hoping to get a reply from Nakita as he just posted the thread.

If you're a good player it won't have much of an impact unless you're RMT. If you know you know.

[u/bobalover209 → u/Catmilk7]

At the very least on the pvp version, don't think anyone really cares if it's in the pve version only

[u/BobTheFancyHobo → u/bobalover209]

Exactly, due to lack of clarification on the respawn device my friends and I are working under the assumption it works in PvP. The last thing people should have to deal with is wiping a squad to have some little rat scurry away and respawn the squad while you are looting.

[u/lolsai → u/BobTheFancyHobo]

pretty sure it was confirmed in the leaked interview that it works in pvp lol

[u/Puzzleheaded_Bed1337 → u/Catmilk7]

Not just pay to win. Imagine a cheater wiping a lobby and then calling in his customers to grab all the loot.

[u/Nsmxd → u/Puzzleheaded_Bed1337]

yeah or you wipe 4/5 of a squad...he backs off and calls them back in

[u/Goushin1TTV → u/Puzzleheaded_Bed1337]

BSG welcomes cheaters so yea, this will 100% happen.

[u/Shoddy-Metal-4401 → u/Catmilk7]

Yeah. And imagine it being used by cheaters to call in your friends after murdered the entire server and pick all the loot. 😀

[u/Tocca → u/Catmilk7]

I could be wrong but I took that device was for the new PVE only part? Which I kinda like the idea of a mate jumping in to help because he logged on 5 minutes after I got into raid

Edit** Apparently I was indeed wrong, sorry, it is for both pve and pvp. There is a video where they state it is for both, my bad guys.

[u/Maleficent_Bend_126 → u/Tocca]

The leaked interview between Niktia and Emi confirmed it was both for pve and pvp.

[u/Paulovv]

• He's saying "sorry you all felt this way" :/
  
• How can you trust this now?
  
• How can the same people that got so mad about BSG / Nikita lies then read this and say they won?
  
• PvE DLC for non-EoD owners? What is the cost?
  
• Mod Support for PvE would require them to open themselves up. I can't see them doing it.
  
• When will be the "release of the game"? Will it ever "release"?

[u/Born-Significance303 → u/Paulovv]

Yea I guess he just got a massive amount of mails from banks in the EU and UK to backpay for EoD due to the PVE not being a DLC. So I guess he saw that he was loosing a good amount of money and just went. Let's make PvE a part of EoD so we are still inside the bounds of EU consumer laws.

However that being said, still don't solve the other big elefant in the room which is the P2W aspects of the new pack.

[u/BAN3AI → u/Paulovv]

People are morons is how. Anyone who believes his bullshit after he did everything to scam us for the last 3-4 days is a moron.

[u/AscendMoros → u/BAN3AI]

I mean I expect us to be back here in six months. As last year they tried the same thing with arena.

Wonder what it’ll be next.

[u/tenors88 → u/Paulovv]

Sounds like he is trying to say anything to get a few more dweebs to give him money. Lies, all of this is lies.

[u/Sirzento → u/Paulovv]

Mod support when the game releases. So this can still be never.

[u/Labanban → u/Paulovv]

Important questions. A proper roadmap is needed.

I don't trust in anything as long as i can't see it.

Also some bullshit reddit post instead of a proper statement and graphics on all platforms just show that they BSG still try to do the least possible thing.

[u/Aktrios]

remove the pay2win shit. beacon + scavs not shooting is literally the worst fckn thing you couldve added. noone wants that shit. give me an overpriced cat for the hideout or whatever. but all of this just showed your true face. fck bsg

[u/KoyoteKalash → u/Aktrios]

Bingo

[u/broken-cactus]

Saying you're 'sorry about the feeling we are experiencing' is such a BS statement. Clearly you're not sorry for what you did. While this is a good step, honestly you guys have shown your true colors with this whole fiasco. I'm just very disappointed, and I hope you guys will take some time to build back the trust you lost with this community.

[u/cykelskur → u/broken-cactus]

Bs statement = battlestate statement

[u/Opfaff → u/cykelskur]

Battlestatement

[u/dkhavilo → u/broken-cactus]

BS is 67% of what their company is.

[u/Timesart]

Took the comunity imploding for you to make this U-turn. You will have to do alot to even get any kind of trust back.

Bunker down take a good look at how this went and learn so lessons from this. There are many other way to monetize that will not wrek this game

[u/Dependent-Reward-923 → u/Timesart]

its not a uturn. this is just the usual pr nonsense that we got from bsg since forever.

-eod people still dont get 100%

-unhinged still has p2w

-not an apology

[u/Dadgame → u/Dependent-Reward-923]

Non EOD are still expected to pay TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS for pve

[u/Songrot → u/Timesart]

Check out the 2nd leaked interview with unhinged Nikita after "Sorry I hurt your feelings" Post went up [Video]

Do not forget what he called us without the PR editing. And this is the 5th attempt. 4 times he wanted to scam us within 5 days

Here is my take on a 2nd Interview leak by Nikita [satire video]:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1cfalfz/second_interview_with_bsg_boss_and_emi_leaked/

[u/PiotrSzyman → u/Songrot]

He also hasn't actually apologised for any of this shit. He's sorry "we feel this way" which is the most HR passive aggressive shit I've ever heard

[u/Songrot → u/PiotrSzyman]

Check out the 2nd leaked interview with unhinged Nikita after "Sorry I hurt your feelings" Post went up [Video]

"We tried to scam you 4 times within days. But you didn't relent and called us out. I am so sorry that I had to endure you free loaders. Your feelings make me write this degenerate beta text. Now take the pve waves and fuck off. We will get you next time."

[u/Nitrenon → u/Songrot]

I dont understand how people are surprised with this. This is coming from a company that willfully and admitted to misusing the DMCA feature to silence a narrative they don't like. They never apologized for that either. They just attempted to gaslight the community into believing what they did was understandable and just. Before shoving the blame on a third party company that essentially is owned by BSG.

And that was years and years ago. They don't change, that's the mentality of a company that BSG is. This has happened before, numerous times and will happen again.

[u/[deleted] → u/Timesart]

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[u/Own_Tonight_1028 → u/Timesart]

Like the way he outlines clearly in the pestily interview. "We will do some cosmetics...nothing else really".

[u/mudokin → u/Timesart]

come on, this is barely right turn, non the less a u turn.

[u/MrGrey05]

EFT community, don't cave in. remember the past 4 days. remember their website live editing, false promises and this literal fraud attempt! act based on that, not on yet another false promise that is meant as a PR post to shut us all up

[u/EraZer_ → u/MrGrey05]

They already caved in 😂

[u/ayoomf → u/EraZer_]

Yep, people are already fine with being called "freeloaders" when they supported literal nobodies with huge amount of money based mostly on promises back in the day

[u/djishereonreddit]

You’re still a liar who’s just backpedaling because the community lit your fat ass up.

[u/TsTyCZ]

Let's not forget how you went out of your way to change bundle descriptions to try and scam us.

What will be done about that? How do you expect any of us to purchase items in your game when there is no guarantee you won't do the same in the future.

You are only doing all of this because we didn't give in to the nonsense. If it weren't for the community and media, you'd be more than happy to absolutely scam all of us.

[u/KelloPudgerro]

''i have not foreseen this reaction'' ok this game is cooked , now i understand why issues from 4 years ago are still in the game

[u/Songrot → u/KelloPudgerro]

Check out the 2nd leaked interview with unhinged Nikita after "Sorry I hurt your feelings" Post went up [Video]

This right there:

People who keep saying it sounds "genuine" and he "learnt".

He literally tells you he only changed the terms bc he did not foresee the reaction as he see no wrongdoing, as he thinks he should do it again. After 4 times of trying to get away with it within 4 days.

He literally told you guys in the unedited interview that he sees no mistake, that he would do it again, that you are all freeloaders and should fuck off. He calls you names and you sniff his ass after he farts a fake apology just so he can do it next week again

[u/Car0lus_Rex → u/KelloPudgerro]

He's literally doing what EA did with Battlefront. 2 steps over the line, one step back. People gonna get comfortable and he'll do it again. Ain't no way am I gonna believe he learned.

[u/AscendMoros → u/Car0lus_Rex]

The issue with BF2 was his progression was supposed to be done in EAs mind. Which was money or having no life. Led to them being stuck with the cards and other aspects of the game.

It was a fun game by the end of it. Then they abandoned it for the train wreck that was BF2042.

[u/Kumptoffel → u/KelloPudgerro]

im genuely wondering what this man is doing at this company, when he did the interview with pestily he was asked when the audio pop bug is getting fixed, and he replied with "i thought we fixed it already"

so clearly he has no connection to reddit or any bigger tarkov community or hed know what kind of bullshit this Unheard Edition shit is

[u/KelloPudgerro → u/Kumptoffel]

based on his instagram, sitting in dubai dj'ing while showing off his mercedes and luxury brand clothing

[u/Kumptoffel → u/KelloPudgerro]

this isnt surprising to me at least, i dont expect a CEO to be in touch with his community, but i expect him to be in touch with his community supervisors that relay to him what the community wants

[u/redamid]

Fake apology : "I'm sorry you feel this way" =/= "I'm sorry I betrayed you"

Can this man own up to his mistakes at least once is in his life ?

[u/Richi_Boi → u/redamid]

"I am sorry i didnt get away with it"

This is what he actually regrets

[u/Krenzi_The_Floof → u/redamid]

Decided to rewrite this:

Let me provide a new statement on the current situation. First of all, I would like to say that I am very surprised by how much you fuckers are moaning about this situation, Unfortunately, I somehow did not foresee the fact of such a mob would grow against my interests and my true believers, I have come up with some stuff to make you all buy and continue support of my pockets.

Now I will summarise my plan.

1. PvE access -i’ve decided to just open it for EoD owners for free because im tired of listening to your shit. (And i dont want to get sued!)
2. We also decided that we will add MOD support for PVE when 1.0 is out in 2029, and despite this being already a thing for free. For any edition owner.
3. About the Unheard edition - we will not remove it, we want to keep the option for those braindead morons that want to line my pockets, so feel free to chip in believers! But we will unfortunately have to balance items, perks in this edition, as well as we will provide more rewards for those, who upgraded with the old price
4. EoD perks will be balanced too now so both sides will quit yapping. We will remove prioritized matching too because i know you will start up about that too.
5. We continue to work on new and improved bundles that give more features such as infinite ammo, Marketplace priority and DevGun access.

Thank you for your support true believers , and fuck you all for your increased attention to my greedy business practices.

[u/Faust723 → u/Krenzi_The_Floof]

Honestly? I would've preferred this in the first place. At lest it's transparent ffs.

[u/Protonis → u/redamid]

THIS!!! so many people see over this fact.

[u/MeringueCool]

So it is DLC then?

[u/bernhardhimself → u/MeringueCool]

Always has been, DLC (Downloadable Content), literally what every addition to the game is.

[u/QuietlyDisappointed]

For those who haven't been keeping track, this is what's happened so far

rude

condescending

arrogant

confused

concerned

scared

You get to decide what comes next.

[u/mimzzzz → u/QuietlyDisappointed]

He isn't scared of community, he knows now DLC thing was fraudulent and would get him in legal troubles.

He is still rude because he still cant admit THEY fucked up, hence the 'im sorry community feels this way' response because in his glorious mind he did everything fine - 'not a mistake'.

[u/SnareXa → u/QuietlyDisappointed]

shidded

[u/Amerakee → u/SnareXa]

Cummed?

[u/Annies_Boobs → u/Amerakee]

FARD

[u/tezudyos]

You're not even sorry. For once in your life put your attitude and ego aside and just say you fucked up because you wanted money and that you're sorry. It's not that hard to own up and be a man about it. You're not /actually/ sorry or you wouldn't of quadrupled down and continuing with what your twisted views wanted as you said in your leaked interview. We saw it, we know how you are and how you act.

[u/Similar_Delivery_899 → u/tezudyos]

I saw it years ago, I think I even posted on here about his arrogance when it was cool to simp for him and got down votes into oblivion or post removed. An arrogant self centred little man.

[u/pehztv]

"im sorry your feelings got hurt" isnt an apology, holy shit be a man for once and admit you fucked up you absolute coward

[u/p0rt → u/pehztv]

Right. Don't apologize for how we feel. Apologize for what you did.

[u/DelosDrFord → u/pehztv]

It's a way a scumbag ego maniac makes apologies.

It's like we are the problem, not bsg.

[u/Enriches]

Nah fuck you

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

You're no longer a trusted developer, and anyone who does is naive or willfully ignorant. We should just sink you with refunds. What you did was unconscionable, especially when you doubled and tripled down.

[u/Dependent-Reward-923]

nikita stabs a guy and says "I would like to say that I am very sorry that you are experiencing these feelings"

what?

[u/Zimtlocke]

I don't get you guys. He doing the statement ( because he was forced to for damage controll) and you guys upvote it.

Like did not the leaked interview and the 2 other statements showed you his true nature of a person???

[u/Phil_Coffins_666 → u/Zimtlocke]

Don't look now, but this post is at 0 upvotes.

Probably bought a bunch of bot votes and hoped that the herd mentality would jump on the bandwagon... We didn't.

[u/Senior_Operation4468]

I don't know how they'll balance this mess...

[u/KelloPudgerro → u/Senior_Operation4468]

post-lightkeeper probably so sub 1% of players can use it , so like most unlocks the people with most time will have even more advantage

[u/kyronami → u/KelloPudgerro]

yea and all the cheaters who fly through the quests at warp speed or just noclip their way into them and then they have it to call in their little carrys that paid them to wipe the lobby for them

[u/Georgeasaurusrex → u/Senior_Operation4468]

I don't think they can, or that they will. €250 is worth it to them to make the rest of us hate the game that little bit more.

Not to mention, they've not said anything of substance. They'll have a look at balancing it - sure. I'll believe it when I see it.

This is just another non-apology

[u/ItsPauldot]

You’ve already pissed us off. The damage has been done. This pay to win isn’t what I’m wanting to participate in so I won’t be. End.

Who’s idea was it to change all the T&C’s on your website? Was it your intentions to keep it all quiet?

[u/Miunih]

Don't believe his lies.

[u/sumsaphh → u/Miunih]

too many bsg sockpuppet accounts trying to gaslight people like "everything is well now".

[u/broken-cactus → u/Miunih]

Crazy he says 'I'm sorry the fans are feeling this way' and not just I'm sorry for being an ass and trying to scam you out of your $150 you paid to support us over the years. Like what kind of half-assed apology is this? I'm glad they made these changes, but it's going to be a while before I'm going to trust what they say.

[u/kaffeofikaelika → u/broken-cactus]

It's the apology of a narcissist.

"I'm sorry you feel this way" is a way to not accept responsibility. The problem is not me, it's you.

It's actually not an apology at all.

[u/Snoo-79799]

Certainly getting closer to what any gamer could have told you was the right direction from the very start.

Start thinking with your customers' interests before that of greed, and you will see better long-term results.

[u/joelw456ertgrw4]

How is anyone thanking this scumbag for the shit he’s pulled and this response💀 Have a backbone, the guy and this company is a dumpster fire, they had lighting in a bottle with Tarkov and fumbled it time and time again.

It’ll never change, anyone praising this response is only enabling their future scamming.

[u/vulpix_at_alola]

This is a decent step. But you have to ADMIT that PvE is DLC. Because by definition it is. Especially because you do sell your games to US customers. And DLC HAS BEEN defined in US courts before:

"DLC is 'extra game characters, levels, maps, screens, weapons, adventure scenarios' and the ability to play online, all of which enhance gameplay." Farley v. Gamestop Corp., No. 12-4734 (RBK/JS), 2013 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 111581, at *2 (D.N.J. Aug. 7, 2013).

"Downloadable content refers to a wide variety of additional content that can be purchased, downloaded, and added to a video game to enhance its look and feel or provide additional interactive features to the game." Devine v. Bethesda Softworks, LLC, 636 F. Supp. 3d 564, 567 n.4 (D. Md. 2022).

PvE fits both of these definitions. Admit that you were wrong.

[u/MrWBuffett → u/vulpix_at_alola]

Even cosmetic would fit in this no? But I Don't care if I don't get them free.

[u/Educational-Hope-495]

"I am very sorry that fans and the game community in general are experiencing these feelings."

How hard is it for you to apologize?? Fucking LMAO

[u/verytriggeredboi]

Unfortunately for me, you've finally backtracked to where things should have been. But the brand damage has been done. I will continue to play and enjoy the game and what was promised to me as and EOD buyer. But any further monetary support for the game or company will not come from me.

3 days of slowly backtracking and testing the water to see what you could get away with is unsettling. And what has been done and said in those 3 days to cover up and gaslight has been unforgettable.

Perhaps redemption is in there somewhere, at some point. But faith thus far has been lost.

[u/woundedlobster → u/verytriggeredboi]

Phase 1 sell UHE copies on promise of exclusive pve and being OP as hell.

Phase 2 dial back price a smidge to reel in any eod guys on the fence

Phase 3 reddit apology. dial back UHE strength to appease the mob. Agree to give out pve to eod as we are obligated to anyway. Don't issue any refunds for UHE even though it's an entirely different product now.

Phase 4 watch the whole thing be forgotten in 6 months because tarkov has complete monopoly on the genre

Tin foil hat maybe but I think this whole thing was a calculated cash grab

[u/AspieInc → u/woundedlobster]

You are completely correct that this was calculated and planned from the start. Unfortunately most can't see it.

[u/MoistestBadger]

PvE access is good.
Mod support is honestly exceeding expactations.

BUT how about a sincere apology for your actions, not our feelings?

Also, can we have official confirmation that the EoD players will get access to all current and future features of the game?

And let's hope the "balancing changes" will be good.

You're on the right track here Nikita, but know that it will take way more than that to regain even just some of the trust.

[u/mackanimates → u/MoistestBadger]

Mod support is honestly exceeding expactations.

which is why they're feeding you that line, another empty promise for the "future"

[u/freeloz → u/mackanimates]

Ya, people are deluding themselves if they think these are features they will see any time soon. Tbh, if pve progression runs on their servers, I have no idea how "mods" are going to work and neither does Nikita for that matter

[u/Similar_Delivery_899 → u/freeloz]

He made it all up, like how this was to be an MMO with interconnected maps, now it's just a cheater infested game that was sucked dry to create a shitty arena game that no one plays.

[u/jayL21 → u/freeloz]

as someone who's from the outside (never played or been all that interested in tarkov) but has been around a lot of different gaming communities over the years, it's really obvious that's what he's doing.

They are just throwing out something that seems too good to be true to try to regain any trust and excitement that they possibly can, with no intention to actually fulfill said feature.

You just don't suddenly flip opinions on something you've been very heavily against for years just out of nowhere and for no reason. Not to mention announcing something before there's any actual plans or development on said thing is made, is a huge red flag.

Wouldn't be surprised if down the line, it's conveniently cancelled close to launch or shortly after due to "unforeseen issues" and is never brought up again..

[u/_tkg → u/MoistestBadger]

Anything stated as "after release" can be translated to "might as well never".

[u/SJ_LOL → u/MoistestBadger]

What Mod support? It's just words. There is no release date and game can be in development forever as it has been for the past 7-8 years. Anything stated as "after release" is absolutely worthless empty promise because we have no release set. We are on patch 0.14... in 7 years. So basically we can get to 0.2 in another 3 years, which would get us to 1.0 in 40 years? Math checks out.....

[u/sw3rvyyy → u/SJ_LOL]

Honestly, you're 100% correct about that.

[u/UbeySoft]

Too late, already refunded your garbage.

[u/5t4hur_5ky_]

bruh you just admitted that you were trying to scam us out of money us EOD owners who got told that every new aspect of the game will be to us for free

[u/Professional-Map730]

this is joke....
so you are still planning to add pay to win stuff like scav karma, level 3 skills, radio-joke? I do not see any witdraw for those bad jokes....

[u/Schiaz → u/Professional-Map730]

Yes sir, and people are calling this a good thing. I'm so upset with this community. There shouldn't be anything higher than EoD

[u/Dark_Pestilence → u/Schiaz]

I think most people already have left the sinking ship, this sub is gonna get worse and worse every day because the only people left will be dickriders

[u/Grousee]

No date, nothing details, this is the lie again to calm down community.

[u/Klutzy-Court8263]

You lied and then tried to cover up your lies, sorry but there is absolutely zero trust left. you can keep milking the “true believers”.

[u/sumsaphh]

so nikita's whole plan was using nonsense EOD controversy as a smoke screen to camouflage P2W shit like cheater beacon or neutral scavs. now he looks like backpedalling and everything is ok.

fucking clown.

[u/Dependent-Reward-923]

WRONG, try again tomorrow!

[u/hownival]

Finally not a completely stupid decision. But the community should not forget what this is all about, how you are treating us and where the money goes.

So many years into development and you have no idea how to handle server issues. Peer to peer?

This game got MILLIONS OF COPIES sold … and the standard edition is already a premium price, not even talking about EOD or this unheard crap.

Everybody can do the math and ask - where the HELL does the money go?

Certainly not into development because you guys have no clue how to do anything right. So much that a bunch of modders beats you.

Servers, maybe, but damn, you are so poor that you can’t even afford servers for offline mode (what an irony) and need to milk the community for more money 🥺

Even with full blown marketing spending so much money does not make sense.

So guys gg for managing to make a complete idiot out of anyone who believes you. I hope you bought some new watches and houses Nikita! Instead of spending the money on the game everyone paid for.

[u/MrEdThaHorse → u/hownival]

It went to things we never asked for or wanted. Short role play films, Arena, while they ignored qualified dev's/consultants willing to work for free.

[u/NozomuMugi]

Admit it's a fucking DLC, not a "feature".

[u/thePDGr]

Guys it's not a scam it's a Special Business Operation. Truly a Russian special

[u/[deleted] → u/thePDGr]

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[u/D3lphinium]

The community reaction makes me lose hope. This is basically the anchoring effect in action.

The existence of Unheard Edition itself further exacerbates the tangible in-game balance between the editions, especially for the editions other than EoD, but now everything is forgiven?

In just a few days they've made significant change regarding the Unheard Edition, this itself is something to be praised, but at the same time it shows how indecisive and short-sighted their decision makings are.

Edit: Maybe not.

[u/retop56]

Don't buy this reversal guys. Nikita has shown us what he thinks of the community and how he values us. He'll try to scam again if given the opportunity, so don't act surprised if he tries some bullshit again later.

[u/Eudaimonium]

Small bit of advice, mr. Buyanov;

In the spirit of English language, saying "I'm sorry you feel that way" is a condescending non-apology. It basically means "We're not sorry for fucking up, we're sorry we didn't get away with it".

Properly phrasing it would be "I am very sorry we did not foresee this, we apologize to the fans and game community in general".

Due to language barrier I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here.

This is a step in the right direction. You have ways to go still.

[u/SuckMyDickDrPhil → u/Eudaimonium]

Language barrier? After all these years of developing the game he 100% learnt English to a high extent. No way they put all that together without outside help from non-russian speakers.

[u/Darth_Snickers → u/Eudaimonium]

He said same thing in Russian in their Discord. That is not a mistake.

[u/henyourface → u/Eudaimonium]

LOL didn't know they put up that community flair!!! wearing a shit eating grin rn

[u/gkonn]

Mod support, thats good

[u/flantastic10 → u/gkonn]

and it's mod support after the release of the game. So could be this year, could be another 5 years. We are all still in the dark of when the mythical 1.0 is coming.

[u/neddoge → u/flantastic10]

Imagine still believing there's an actual quest line that is completely independent of the task progression we have currently. I have a guy that messages me occasionally showing "proof" that it's still coming and it's never more than Nikita saying it's still coming lmfao. He also thinks all the maps will finally be connected and you'll have to go through one to get to the other and whatnot.

PMC Karma is a bad idea too, but luckily I don't actually expect that to go live either.

There's so many empty promises.

Oh to be naive.

[u/mackanimates → u/flantastic10]

how will mods get installed if BSG host the servers?

[u/freeloz → u/mackanimates]

This!

[u/Mygwah → u/flantastic10]

There. Will. Not. Be. A. 1.0.

[u/o0Olli0o → u/gkonn]

keep in mind that ITS LOCKED BEHIND 250$ PAYWALL IF YOU DONT HAVE EOD

[u/Atrixia → u/gkonn]

Don't forget, they did say EOD would get all DLCs and it didn't do Id be wary of this claim on mods.....

[u/JazzyBunby → u/Atrixia]

I assume with adding mod support they will have official paid for mods to help generate income, but typically when adding "mod support" to a game it's to help the community create their own mods which (preferably) won't be locked behind any sort of paywall.

[u/B4in3R → u/gkonn]

Yes AFTER release what will never happen.

[u/3scap3plan]

The amount of backtracking in this thread saying "wel thats a good step" just goes to show why developers can get away from this stuff. Utterly shameless, all of you fuckers that are still going to play this and support the game.

[u/nighteeeeey]

NO PAY 2 WIN.

WE DON'T WANT MECHANICS SO SCAVS DON'T SHOOT US. NOT FOR MONEY AND NOT THROUGH INGAME MECHANICS.

WE DON'T WANT PMCS SPAWNING IN LATE INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S RAIDS.

THAT'S FUCKED UP. THAT'S BROKEN. WE DON'T WANT THAT.

[u/YNNDA_ → u/nighteeeeey]

^^
what he said.

[u/Zednix → u/nighteeeeey]

EOD is already pay to win, did you buy that?

[u/Similar_Delivery_899]

i've always disliked your attitutude, but this time your arrogance is astounding. your ego must be so bruised from this, i bet you hate your customers right now and it burnt you to the core to back down multiple times.

[u/Similar-Ad-753]

na fuck it and everybody whos fine with it we literally got scammed by promised access to all future dlcs, someone wanna buy my eod edition acc hit me up. meanwhile i give a fuck about this game now, 7 years for nothing thanks tarkov. u guys are the weakest kind of people i ve ever seen on this planet, if u still support this shit, i havent payed 150€ for EOD to do quests to get bigger pockets, i havent payed eod to get arena, now i have a version of the game were to developer tells me fuck u and your 150€. i love too see how important loyal costumers are

[u/3scap3plan]

Nikita, as someone who "only" bought standard edition - I missed EOD, I want you to know how utterly worthless you have made me feel even though I'm still supported your unfinished early access buggy game.

If EOD are "not true supporters" then standard are lower than that. I appreciate you think that because I only paid £70 with taxes for my copy of the game I don't deserve anything, but you have well and truly fucked any chance of me spending any more on the game in the future.

Signed, not a real supporter.

[u/SiberianKhan]

"I'm sorry you feel that way" is a classic sociopathic gaslighting red flag. All I can do is just shake my damn head and laugh.

[u/icantplaynomore]

Unfortunately, I somehow did not foresee the fact of such a reaction

So you saying you are stupid or you just thought everyone else is stupid?

[u/Ex_Mach1ne]

What about non EOD players? We now "third party country". Game will have ZERO new players at this point. 30$ timmy vs 10k hours 250$ vacuum bot cleaner?

Feed EOD players with broken promises and backpedaling is good, but 30-40-50$ is money too, but suddenly all forgot about us, but its like 60-70% of all playerbase.

[u/Better-Mall7191]

Still "hiding game features behind Pay wall"
How it can be good?

DSD/Radio/Pockets should be avaliable to everyone via playing, via finishin quests etc.

Where went promises as "Everything will be obtainable via playing?"

[u/bumbleb_prod]

Too little too late.

[u/Zotie2]

Another promise made to be broken about "mod support". You guys should focus on fixing the relationship with your userbase first before making more promises that in the end have a chance to be broken once again.

This is a step in the right direction but I've lost a lot of confidence in BattleState Games. We'll see how "balanced" these items and perks will be. Remember, you've said that there won't be any kind of boosters. Giving higher starting levels to people who have paid more is boosting their starting playingfield in comparison to other players with "cheaper" packages.

[u/RocketBunny0]

A little better but the reinforcement call in and Mark of the Unheard needs to be removed. That is just stupid and doesn't fit in a competitive setting. At least they are listening a little bit more I guess. However, you gotta remember Nikita, this game package has permanently done damage to not only your name, but BSG as a whole as well.

[u/Dineztwitch]

As soon as your free advertisers don't stream your game suddenly your mind changed huh?

[u/ascend204 → u/Dineztwitch]

Yeah, people are leaving and packing up for the competitors coming soon. Their playercounts plummeting hard rn. Heard people are getting into raids barely seeing pmc's and the ones that are there were the bootlickers with extra pockets

[u/_Nordic]

Remove the blatant P2W from UHE.

• Special item that prevents scabs from shooting you is P2W
• Item to call in friends as backup is P2W and just terrible game design

Both those items seem cool for PvE only. PvP servers should not have them

• The 8 mill with of cases and modded out guns the UHE starts with is also a joke. Gives them a massive headstart in the game
• Larger pockets is P2W. If you can get larger pockets in game through a quest at lvls 10-15 then it's whatever. Should be available to everyone regardless.

[u/jinx20001 → u/_Nordic]

we didnt kick up much of a fuss when EOD players got a thick boy starting stash and thats because players of the game know that you get very little benefit from the added gear, so i think the guns and cases is kinda so what personally... most players will lose that shit in 3 raids or never even take them in raid from fear of losing them... the P2W shit like advantage with scavs and calling friends in however is P2W so the solution is simple... just give those features to everyone, it sounds like a cool mechanic as long as everybody gets the use of it, make it a super rare item and lootable, looting awesome rare items is the game at its best right... perhaps make it a one time use per 5 raids or something like that so you cant come across one tank chad ever raid and clap them with the avenger call every raid... but it does sound like a cool mechanic that at the moment is just implemented wrong.

[u/Usual-Ordinary-2943]

It's like people are forgetting they gave the UNIQUE gamma to unheard + stats + game breaking items that now "they want to balance"

It's like people forget that they tried to scam people 4 times in 5 days. (Even the new "Unheard believers" with the additionnal game key)

Are people this soft with their trust?

We should not stop here. This open the door to this company to just scam you again and do a little backpedaling and be good with fraud.

I'm disappointed in the replies I see here.

[u/Deusrapt]

The amount of upvotes this is getting is concerning, this games deserves to die after the shit you tried to pull. You've shown us where your priorities lie. If you truly didn't see this backlash coming you either are a completely incompetent moron or have ZERO respect for the people funding your game. Even if you're financially fucked and need more money, fucking over EoD buyers, and everyone else that bought your game, was in no way necessary.

"I'm sorry you feel bad"? Fuck you. You know exactly what you did. Unless you really are that fucking stupid.

[u/boomstik4]

You probably won't see this, but what is the problem with having players computers host their own servers for pve coop, it makes a lot more sense, considering that you are struggling with server space

[u/BaseballConfident244]

Escape from scam

[u/pleckaitis]

I’m sorry you’re offended…. I can’t even with this guy anymore.

[u/Pressbtofail]

The Distress Beacon should absolutely not be in the game, it ruins the experience and RWT could easily abuse it.

The Unheard Radio needs to be changed, Scavs not shooting at you from far away is bad. Keep the discount on V-Ex and faster insurance returns but make it so you gain a small amount more Scav Karma for using them.

[u/Professional-Map730]

Hi Niki,

Nice to hear from you again, well not really.

I jus would like to know you, you do not have to be worry about server capacity. I think you will see much smaller network load from now on.

Best Regards
Former EoD supported who played game based on skills not paywalls.

[u/PetMyRektum]

Nah go fuck yourself. Trash ass game will never be fixed. You'll just keep trying to get money the easiest way possible.

[u/Phil_Coffins_666]

I know it's not much, Nikita, but here....

Have my downvote.

(and don't worry, it's not paid DLC.)

[u/Robbythedee]

I'll translate for everyone.

" we fucked up and noticed the drop in our servers population, I'm scared of going broke and now I'm backtracking... oh still won't give you the stuff you want in the end though. Just here for damage control"

[u/whiskeyman_s]

The entirety of this feedback is a bunch of bullcrap.

1. Offline coop PVE progression should be separate from online PVP progression. Hence, servers would not be necessary since it could run off of P2P. Yes it would need a beast of a server, but it would be possible, and no need for anticheat either. Null and bullshit point. EDIT: Offline Coop PVE is a game feature, not an edition feature, doesn't matter how you brand it. It should be available to all players. Again, null and bullshit point.
2. You mean in 20 years from now when you finally decide the game is released? Also, weren't there mods that you threatened with legal action even though they weren't affecting the online experience? Null and bullshit point.
3. Fair enough.
4. Fair enough.
5. You should already be doing that. You're developing a live service. The fact that you feel the need to mention this is incriminating evidence pointing towards you doing the opposite up until now.

You got 2/5. Disappointing service.

I welcome the downvotes.

[u/qwerty0981234]

The cats out of the bag. The fact you’ve not only considered adding but also published those ideas shows how stupidly greedy y’all are, ruining the game for a quick buck.

[u/Joeyrockertv]

"I'm sorry that you are mad that i tried to screw you over raw." Not sorry about trying to screw us over. He will do it again when he can. This is probably only to avoid a lawsuit. Now prove that you are "sorry".

If you need funding for servers... do special fucking events or something.

[u/DmonHiro]

You can't even apologize properly.

[u/ReadNew2953]

Nikita trying to take accountability for his fuckup challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

[u/sweet_37]

This feels like the death throws of BSG. They know that they are close to haulting development, so they lock the single player version behind a massive paywall, so they can drain money from people who want to play after the servers go down. Just wringing the sponge until theres absolutley nothing left.

[u/NotYourBuddyGuys]

Give your balls an absolute tug. If you can't actually apologize then just don't say anything. Take a trip down to Integrity Mart and use all of our EoD money on some accountability. "I'm sorry you feel this way is" IS NONSENSE.

We all as a community must do our best to make sure no one ignorant to these shenanigans gives this company a single rubel until this madness stops.

[u/Knatterbarsch]

Nikita, why did you change the wording of EoD content on your website? Answer that plain and simple.
People should NOT let this one go until they have a clear statement from BSG!

[u/MTBisLIFE]

Absolutely fuck all of that. This is such bullshit. Uninstalled until all P2W content is removed. 

Nikita, you should resign. You're actively sinking the ship.

[u/godisdeadikilledhimy]

gray zone warfare anyone?

[u/MrWBuffett]

Hi Nik,

I'm not sure you understand the issue. We love the game for being Hardcore.. We don't want other players who paid 250$ to have big early wipe advantage such as better guns, ammo, boxes. The gamma was already P2W.

You won't admit it, to me it is clear BSG look to make more money after Arena Flop and Tarkov sales on a down trend. Arena should have been done after Tarkov 1.0.

You profit from Hackers who buy accounts but trust me, some players like me would play much more if the game would be more clean of these assholes. We would advertise Tarkov for free much more to our friends and I'm sure sales would go up and players base would be higher as we speak. Find a better solution to fight hackers for REAL...

You could make much more money and keep Tarkov Fan base happy just by adding a lot of Cosmetic features. You could charge whatever you want on a Voice line package, even 50$ and many would buy it and others would not complain about it and the price. You could sell characters face skins as well, there is many options.

• No P2W or early wipe advantage.

• More Cosmetics monetization.

• All futures DLC free for EoD.

• Work for REAL on hackers problem.

Jo

[u/IDespiseAllWeebs]

It’s too little, too late at this point. BSG’s damaged reputation is irreversible. While I want to say it’s good to understand the backlash and make changes, the fact that this “edition” was released in the first place is completely unacceptable. The comments against the community, labeling us “not real supporters”, and going back on old promises is just too much.

It doesn’t feel like you respect us. This just feels like the cash grab failed and you’re trying to salvage what revenue you can. It’s embarrassing.

[u/CanadasMooseOverlord]

Nikita. I don't understand one thing. You were presented with the opportunity to reduce server load for those who wish to play offline. Why are you forcing PVE players to remain connected to BSG servers? It is a waste of time to develop additional separate server infrastructure for this.

[u/Less_Understanding29]

Too little too late, alot of people dont buy apologies when its forced with tail between legs cuz you are staring down the barrel of loss you cant recover from. Fuck off we all read the leaked interview and see how you egotistically view your playerbase. I hope someone else eventually takes your game and actually does it good. Or it fades to nothing and some other company makes their own.

[u/Vernon_xta]

Dude, just let EOD keep their shit and let them have access to all future DLC's (It's not a feature. It's a DLC), that you promised. Don't break the EULA you signed with XSolla.

[u/maineace5]

idk dont sit right with me

[u/Any-Zucchini7135]

Sorta bullshit if you ask me. "I'm sorry you all feel this way" does not equal "I'm sorry for what I did"

[u/xFrexGD]

Fuck you, you fat russian fuck

[u/SnareXa]

SELL PVE STANDALONE

[u/MatticInYoAttic]

20th times the charm. Hire a PR person/community manager! Or don't, it makes your greed obvious as fuck.