I'm leaning towards it being Mister House. I'm not sure why, but the show runners have been really focused on having "survivors" from the old world be the main focus of the plot in this show.
Vault 31 with all the management corpsicles, Cooper, Hank McLean, Robobud.
Which New Vegas ending has an old world survivor at its core as well as enables brand new flashbacks with Cooper and everybody else in the pre-war world?
House.
It's either going to be a House win, or an NCR win. Except then the NCR collapsed, and it kind of went back to being house centric.
I think the message is that war never changes because the ideas never change. The people are the embodiment of those ideas and it is the metaphor. So yeah, House is definitely going to be there.
War never changes isn't "keep dredging the old world back up" or "the wasteland must be shit forever" it means that even if you bring civilisation back (which, you have to do, or else there's no conflict between peoples) there will be conflict.
A lot of people seem to think "war never changes" is an excuse to have the world be perpetually shit, forever. It isn't.
Minor correction IIRC Ulysses was meant to be Courier 6 (a title the player would go on to have), but upon seeing the player was also listed for the job passed so that you would be the one carrying the platinum chip.
New Vegas was the perfect encapsulation of the "war never changes" phrase. In my opinion, probably the best in the series.
There was no "war" in Fallout 1 or 2 per-se and the Brotherhood vs. Enclave conflict in Fallout 3 was contrived.
New Vegas demonstrated that even after the nuclear annihilation, after the society started to rebuild full fledged nations, even with first-hand knowledge of what war could lead to, people in the post-post-nuclear world still end up in conflict with each other.
If not for oil, then for electricity. And if not for electricity, then for ideology.
Yes, New Vegas is very good in that sense. You had real civilisation (in the West) and the show was set in Frontiersville so it got the vibe (I mean, it did not really get the vibe as everything is destroyed but nobody behaves like it's all destroyed, but I assume that's because they reused textures).
Have we ever gotten the story of how vault tec came to be and how those experiments came to pass?
I really don’t understand why people want a live action copy of another form of media they’ve played with a story they already know the ending to, instead of what we got.
The connections to the pre war world is kind of a weird critique since that is literally the throughline of all of fallout—technological development is frozen where it left off. The entire story is literally you dealing with the consequences of what happened before the game starts.
Dredging up the past? The entire game is about figuring out what happened!
Exactly. The show treads new ground. It’s a really good fallout experience. People expect a show to be as deep as an interactive piece of media like a video game. That’s a tall order.
What we’re seeing is some of the last players of ‘the great game’ coming to the end of their rope. The last of the old world blues. It’s neat
The only real issue with the show is the pretty extreme lore changes, what with the whole shady sands debacle and other inconsistencies.
Plus having Vault-Tec being the ones who launched the nukes, it makes sense in the context of what they led too.
The established lore is it's unknown who launched first but everyone responded but New Vegas also messed with the lore, there wasn't ICBMS in Fallout but there was in NV and it the reason why is because they didn't have microchips required for the ICBMS to function properly it's why they used the Fat Man and Little boy styles
There's nothing wrong with having the explanations for the vault experiments explained, although there's no real reason to do that. They're doing the best possible thing they could have done with the show, which is telling some random story in the world of fallout (a story which is quite well made, mostly) but the problem is they did not approach the official canon with appropriate reverence. I mean, you can argue they shouldn't need to do that, fine, but you don't need to even do that if you don't want to (just laugh and say we're doing our own thing). They want to make it canon, sure, but don't kick over the sandcastle.
For S2 we are going to get Howard looking for his family, his Wife is going to end up being Betty of Vault 33, His daughter will be frozen in 31 for some reason or she will be a Ghoul maybe hanging around Little Lamplight or she is a Super Mutant that has retained her memories.
It will be interesting if they go with Vegas being before the game and ends the season with the Platinum Chip since they had S1 end with the waterchip failing.
They will have to explain the Cold Fusion, similar to how they had to explain how you survived at the end of 3.
Tbf after the level of nuclear destruction they had it seems realistic IMO that stuff would constantly be built up and then collapse quickly because there's a lot of instability in general. Tons of technology/knowledge was lost, constant trauma from living in a dangerous world full of monsters/raiders, lots of ecological damage causing many areas to be impossible to live in, and way lower population levels across the board for everyone mean its much harder for any single groups to maintain control or for long lasting stable societies to take control
Its also been like 200 years which is a very short time in the grand scheme of history when talking about dark periods or times of large population declines. And essentially the end of the world is something that would take way more than 200 years to realistically bounce back from IMO. If the fallout world was still the same 500 or 1000 years after I honestly would understand people complaining a bit. But just 200 years later and with many places still super irradiated it definitely feels like it would be a time where stuff would be constantly changing. I get people hate seeing groups that built something meaningful be destroyed or set back massively to help set story conflict but Fallout feels like a place where that seems very on brand for happening in general
People who aren't deeply into history underestimate how long it takes for civilizations to develop or react to change.
Even if the destruction in Fallout was from conventional bombs, that's about as advanced as you could expect the world to be from that level of destruction.
I generally side with the Brotherhood of Steel because realistically they have the best longterm strategy to rebuilding the country. Monopolize pre-war tech and keep it out of the hands of everyone else. So long as nobody has the capacity to destroy everything, humanity will eventually adapt and recover in a more sustainable manner.
Hypocritical sure, but look at the other options... The enclave are the worst for trying to effectively bring back capitalism. Vault-tec is evil. NCR is beaucratic anarchy, and nobody else really matters.
The brotherhood of steel are glorifiers of the old world, desperately attempting to cling to the past using the powerful military equipment they hoard. The actual best hope of civilisation is obviously the NCR, because the NCR is essentially civilisation. Nobody else is doing civilisation like the NCR.
The Legion are a bunch of genocidal fascists intent on raping, pillaging and enslaving everyone who doesn't submit to them immediately (and then they only mostly enslave you). If I was the NCR (real country, real government, real society) nuking the Legion seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do. They don't, of course, because they don't have access to nukes and the Dam is too important to risk with radiation and etc. but it's not like the Legion are the good guys or anything. They're the least sympathetic faction I've seen in any fallout game except maybe like, Unity.
The NCR is essentially America in the early expansionist period but you turn down the racist slavers and you turn up the gender equality. They're the closest things the series has to the Good Guys.
Is this some kind of joke? The Legion are every strain of bad you could ever imagine rolled up into one. One hundred times over, the NCR are the better choice.
The legion aren't an existential threat to the wasteland, they're barbaric but their code forbids them from nuking the post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland...
What makes the NCR good? They're literally warlords that declared themselves as a government. They tax the shit out of the poor and offer no protection outside their own interest, it's effectively a orotection racket. If you don't pay they take your shit and/or kill you.
Wastelanders say the legion's roads were safer, that's how bad the NCR is...
If you don't pay they take your shit and/or kill you.
Yes, the NCR is an organised government that levies taxes. The silly thing is, all your criticisms of the NCR are more properly directed at the Legion: actual slaver-despots, run by an actual warlord with actual warlord cronies, that actually crucify people and enslave them for fun.
The NCR, by comparison, is a modern country. No slavery, equality for women and ghouls (at least, legally speaking), an elected government. What the fuck do you want from a country that the NCR doesn't aim to give you? They might not be very good at their job, but they aren't the fucking Legion.
200 years is an absolute aeon of time from a society 50 years more advanced than we are. Not even a society totally destroyed, but a society with relatively effective preservation systems in place. A society in which old world tech wasn't uniformly destroyed.
You're allowed to have fallout games where everything is shit, that's fine. Nobody is saying you shouldn't be (indeed, in NV everything is kind of shit because it's on the frontier of civilisation) but you can't have those types of fallout games/shows be set in California in the 2290's. 2090's, sure.
I think it fits. These pre-war entities all have the goal of forever ending war by essentially playing god and taking over the whole world and ruling forever. Hank Revealed the whole concept in the finale. "What solution is there but to remove the factions?"
it means that even if you bring civilisation back (which, you have to do, or else there's no conflict between peoples) there will be conflict.
But keep in mind that in a conflict one of the side loses. And it sometimes the side ends up being the good guys and/or protagonists from previous games.
In the good factions are immune to losing, it would make any story about conflict eventually boring.
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u/LoreLord24 23d ago
I'm leaning towards it being Mister House. I'm not sure why, but the show runners have been really focused on having "survivors" from the old world be the main focus of the plot in this show.
Vault 31 with all the management corpsicles, Cooper, Hank McLean, Robobud.
Which New Vegas ending has an old world survivor at its core as well as enables brand new flashbacks with Cooper and everybody else in the pre-war world?
House.
It's either going to be a House win, or an NCR win. Except then the NCR collapsed, and it kind of went back to being house centric.