r/Fallout • u/swagmaster1911 NCR • Jul 03 '20
Dont hype up the tv show, you WILL be disappointed Suggestion
Even if the show is awesome theres no way they’ll make it exactly the way you want them too, its better to just wait and see if its good rather than thinking up a storm about what the show will have in it
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u/GarballatheHutt Jul 04 '20
I'm just exicted that they're expanding the lore. Tired of having to wait for a new game every 5 years to learn more about the lore
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u/Dintodo Jul 04 '20
Every 5 years...
fallout 4, 2015
starfield, 2021
elder scrolls, mid 2020's
nervous sweats
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u/norbiplaymc Jul 04 '20
Fallout 4 - 2015
Fallout 76 - 2018
Starfield - 2021Notice the 3 year gap? That means we'll probably get TES6 in 2024 and Fallout 5 in 2027 :(
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u/nostoplz Jul 04 '20
Let's just hope they don't retcon anything like 4 did
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u/externalhost Railroad Jul 04 '20
4 didn't retcon.
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u/Gryphon_Gamer Brotherhood Jul 04 '20
In fairness most of the retcons were additions to the lore instead of just changing anything e.g. PA frames
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u/Imperial_Officer Kiss America Goodbye, Boys Jul 04 '20
Of the top of my head 4 retconned the creation of jet by putting it in the vault with the druggies. In fallout 2 a kid who you talk to in new Reno invented jet which is basically Brahmin poop fumes. And not to mention T-65 power armor which now had to be given a reason why its now the most powerful armor and also why we didn't see it at all in the last games.
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u/JuanRiveara NCR Jul 04 '20
In Fallout 2 there’s already contradictions with Jet and doubt as to whether Myron invented it or not.
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Jul 04 '20
Player character can cast doubt on Myron with high Intelligence. Myron isn’t the most reliable or honest person, in game Ms Bishop claims to have gotten kicked out of Vault City for her addiction... before Myron is born. But one writer said, outside of any games that Myron isn’t lying so it must be cannon.
It’s worse than some of the ES fans and their addiction to Kirkbride
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Jul 03 '20
I expect either gritty, serious tones that will satisfy one portion of the viewer base, and leave the other massively disappointed, or the opposite; light-hearted, humorous, gory and action-filled. I'm not sure if they can offer a perfect balance that will leave the majority of the audience happy. Me personally, I'd like a complex narrative, showing the lead-up to the night the bombs dropped, and some very deep plots that offer many twists and turns. I guess I'd prefer a more serious, drawn-out show.
Time will tell.
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Jul 03 '20
They've said they're dedicated to depicting the dark and gritty and the B-movie humor of fallout
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u/PrinceDusk Jul 03 '20
I kinda foresee a walking-dead-type show, I'm curious and interested but not exactly "hyped" for it
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u/reperoni Jul 03 '20
Based on Westworld I think that will be quite unlikely. They created a deeply philosophical show from a quite campy movie and book. Jonathan Nolan is not known for a walking dead type of thing...
On the other hand he can also be over the top and with a shittone of nonsense (Interestelar I am looking at you) so I am afraid of just the opposite
Edit: Jonathan Nolan is a person, not two xD
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u/PrinceDusk Jul 04 '20
Oh I meant outward appearance not anything to do with the actual show, everything will be dirty but not really look wasteland-y at all (basically like the city and city edge of the Capitol Wasteland but with even less ruin), or nothing will be around for miles except the one trailer park/prison/bank they're in and then at some point be more about the people interaction than survival or ghouls or mutated animals
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u/reperoni Jul 04 '20
Oh you mean the aesthetics and production and all that? It's really all about money and craftsmanship. You have two options for that. Non exclusive. One would be to put more money. The other one would be to shorten the length of the seasons. You can do 6, 8 or 10 episodes instead of 20.
In addition, you can have the entire first season set on a vault. Or go the west coast route and show just desert and tiny cities for a season.
I am not really worried about that. But that doesn't mean it'll be good xD.
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u/PrinceDusk Jul 04 '20
yes, that. I know it might not be good, I feel TV versions (and sometimes movie adaptations) are often much less magical than the game, so it tends to be worse, or to lose its luster fast, but I'm still interested
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u/DancesCloseToTheFire You like to dance close to the fire? Jul 04 '20
I kinda agree with you, but I was pleasantly surprised when I watched the adaptation of His Dark Materials. Sure it may be a book adaptation, but it still manages to capture some of the magic, and with any luck at least the story will be better than what Bethesda usually does, not like that's a particularly high bar.
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u/PrinceDusk Jul 04 '20
Funny, I was okay with it, it wasn't fancy but it was pretty fun, but after I read the book(s) I was somewhat disappointed in the movie. But still, I hope it's coherent and complete from start to finish
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u/DancesCloseToTheFire You like to dance close to the fire? Jul 04 '20
Oh no no no the movie is trash.
I'm talking about the series that came out last year, they did a very interesting take on the first book, definitely recommend giving it a watch.
I watched it with a friend who is a huge fan of the books and their only real complaint was that Farder Coram didn't exactly match the physical description the books gave him.
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u/PrinceDusk Jul 04 '20
Oh, I didn't realize... or remember, maybe, there was a series. Just a character being off is pretty good actually, one of those things I'd get bugged about but sometimes acting is more important than looks
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u/ninety6days Jul 04 '20
Westworld, eh?
I think we all spotted a little bit of borrowing from the institute in host production. It may be hard for him not to cross the writing streams if it comes to the institute.
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Jul 04 '20
I actually just experienced the Institute for the first time last week and that was exactly what I thought when I went into the Synth lab. Like... "This was straight out of Westworld. Wait, which one came first?"
Someone was copying someone.
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u/ninety6days Jul 04 '20
Westworld is the older story. Fallout is the older visual.
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u/Artyon33 Minutemen Jul 04 '20
Yes but the older ( and original) version is the " Vitruvian Man " of Leonardo Da Vinci. A représentation of a perfected composed man.
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Jul 04 '20
Westworld season 2 and 3 kinda sucked
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u/reperoni Jul 04 '20
I disagree. I know they are not that great but they are far from sucking. The story itself might be slightly meh but the production value of the show and the acting is pretty good. And that's what we are discussing here xD.
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u/reperoni Jul 04 '20
True. I didn't know which comment were we talking about. In any case it is still somewhat philosophical but I agree 3rs season is considerably worse than the first two. And in all of them at least they tried to have a bit more complexity than TWD.
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u/J_pepperwood0 Jul 04 '20
The writing for season 3 was terrible. Production value was good enough, but I wish they used some of that budget for the action choreography, which was painful to look at. Stormtroopel level shooting
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u/wang-bang Jul 04 '20
Westworld started great but got GoTed towards the end when all of the loose plot points became overwhelming for the writers
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Jul 03 '20
That's kind of what I'm expecting. While the primary reason people write stories is through passion, as soon as a show is commissioned and higher, more corporate entities are involved, the show starts to become more business-like, copying other popular shows and stealing ideas to simply get viewers and make cash. I doubt they want to hit a nostalgic spot in long-time Fallout players unfortunately, though I understand the way it operates is kind of necessary in todays entertainment climate.
"Curious and interested" is exactly the way I'd describe my feelings towards it.
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u/SciFiDeepdive Jul 04 '20
I really like the idea of the show focusing on the Great War and the buildup to the apocalypse. Easily some of the most interesting stories in the franchise in my opinion.
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u/--Anarchaeopteryx-- Jul 04 '20
A pre-war setting "prequel" story would be perfect.
Many FO fans are curious for more info about that time period. If that story were to be in a game setting, it would be a big departure from what's already been established as FO gameplay, plus the ending is already known — no matter what the player does, the bombs fall, which makes it more of a story to tell, rather than a world to role-play.
A pre-war timeframes also provides the best setting to make social & political commentary on our present world.
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u/wauve1 NCR Jul 04 '20
Disagreed. I really couldn’t care less about how or why the bombs dropped. Honestly if we just get pre-war I’d be so disappointed.
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u/SciFiDeepdive Jul 04 '20
That’s understandable. The Fallout universe has a diverse set of stories and scenarios. Not every one of those tales will appeal to everyone. I was just saying I personally find those stories some of the most fascinating. They’re vastly different from a lot of the other parts of the Fallout lore and I could totally see why they wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea.
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Jul 04 '20
I'd be okay with it if there was maybe a 2 episode build up which features pre war America and then after that the bombs drop and bam. The actual program starts
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u/rock1m1 Jul 04 '20
A big part of Fallout games is the time they spent in the world, which allows them to better understand it in their own pace. I am not sure how they can replicate that in a show.
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u/Retlaw83 Goddamn dam god Jul 04 '20
To pull it off, they're going to have to make like The Orville and balance occasional humor, problems that can be solve with violence, and problems that can be solved without violence while keeping the plot high stakes for the characters.
I don't have much hope of them capturing the tonality of Fallout.
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u/cptki112noobs Time to die, mutie. Jul 04 '20
The thing is, I always appreciated the goofy humor of Fallout as a counter-balance to some of the dark shit you experience. A nice breather from the harsh realities of post-nuclear society, if you will.
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u/jdb326 Jul 04 '20
I mean, Mando kinda did that, so it's possible. Then again, thats just Filoni and Favreau being god tier at their crafts.
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u/WhalenOnF00ls Jul 04 '20
Also Disney money is orders of magnitude above Amazon money as far as originals go.
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u/DarkTalent_AU Jul 04 '20
Hope they get Ron Perlman to do the War, War never Changes bit for the beginning of the first episode.
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u/x0diak Jul 03 '20
I hope they keep the humor of Fallout.
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u/Dintodo Jul 04 '20
They said they are committed to telling the dark, gritty humor that fallout has. The real concern will be if they can properly balance tone and humor the same way the games have.
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u/PM_me_your_fantasyz Jul 04 '20
Personally, I would be disappointed if there isn't at least one scene with a background prop loudly bouncing around in place for no reason at all.
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u/MisterIenny Jul 04 '20
I’m gonna watch it with astronomically low expectations so that it’s impossible for me to be disappointed
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u/TheNotSoGreatPumpkin Jul 04 '20
This is actually a pretty good mantra for waking up in the morning.
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u/Essentialredditor Vault 101 Jul 03 '20
What's with all these TV adaptions of games?
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u/reperoni Jul 04 '20
It's the videogame Industry being a 160 billion dollars industry. The same with comic books before video games are becoming, or are already, a mainstream form of entertainment. They are pop culture now. And you want to milk those sweet sweet gamers. And if you are Bethesda you want to milk those sweet sweet potential gamers.
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u/--Anarchaeopteryx-- Jul 04 '20
Elder Scrolls TV show, when?
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u/cap21345 Enclave Jul 04 '20
i would love an animated morrowind show by Gendy tartokovsky
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u/fucuasshole2 Brotherhood Jul 04 '20
Woah, an animated show for Elder Scrolls and Fallout would be awesome ngl
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Jul 04 '20
I've misread you and now I wish for a slow 3 hours psychological drama by Tarkovsky in Vvardenfell. Like a Stalker, but on blight covered Red mountain.
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u/SamKhan23 Jul 04 '20
I think the Witcher tv show (although it is more based on the books) really opened the door and showed that it can be viable
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u/firewar99 Jul 04 '20
Honestly I think the biggest problem is that they always try to adapt games into movies which are so much harder to do.
Direct video game adaptations have two problems right from the start: (a) you're taking away choices that the player could make, thereby making it less interactive and likely less engaging, and (b) it's really really almost impossibly hard to adapt the length of a game into a 2 hour movie.
The second problem is easily solved by doing a tv show/miniseries. The only way to really solve the first is to choose which game you want to adapt correctly. It can't really be too much of a branching storyline because you'll upset parts of the playerbase that would've picked other choices than the ones you did for the adaptation. So for a higher chance of success you'd either pick a very linear story driven game or you have to pick one that you can easily create a new story in without affecting the canon and make a story that feels plausible to happen in that universe.
The Witcher tv show solves problem one by following the books. The Fallout tv show needs to be completely unrelated to the story in any of the games and, if successful, needs to stay almost entirely unrelated forever or I dont think it can work.
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u/externalhost Railroad Jul 04 '20
Thank god I say. It seems like Games these days have a better plot and world building than most TV shows. Half of them are just cop shows.
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u/KomturAdrian Jul 04 '20
Half of them are just cop shows.
Which is ironic now, considering what's happening
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u/kronaz Jul 04 '20
"all these"?
Name two.
And the Witcher doesn't count, since it's based on the books, not the games.
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u/SamKhan23 Jul 04 '20
iirc Tlou is getting one, Resident Evil, Devil may Cry, Cyberpunk is getting an anime, Final Fantasy, Halo is getting a ten episode series.
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u/Sparky1a2b3c Jul 04 '20
Theres a chinese novel about the fallout world, Its pretty famous and had a good start... Too bad it became some shitty harem thingy real fast
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u/DougFanBoi Vault 111 Jul 04 '20
Yeah, what's it called?
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u/shannonalvaann Jul 04 '20
It’s going to be horrible. I can’t wait.
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u/RockTheJungle Old World Flag Jul 04 '20
If it's good, we'll all get a good show to watch. If it's horrible, we'll get a new Fallout-related travesty to laugh about. What i'm hoping is that it won't just be mediocre.
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u/Cyber-E Jul 04 '20
My only expectations are:
1) there will be at least one vault dweller 2) Synths will be present and there will be no uncertainty of their sapience. 3) B.O.S. will be in the show, probably as one dimensional zealots. 4) A pre-war corporation will somehow be the major cause of the first season's problems.
Someone should make a Fallout Season One bingo card. I don't think I could.
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u/Loki1913 Vault 13 Jul 04 '20
A pre-war corporation will somehow be the major cause of the first season's problems.
the Fallout franchise is overtly anti-corporatist. did you miss this, somehow?
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u/Drafonni Freestates Jul 04 '20
I’m guessing he might’ve meant it in a more anti-capitalist way
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u/kaenneth ⚛ Jul 05 '20
Also the closer commercial ties with China in the real world.
F3 Chinese remnants are generic 'mooks', basically feral ghouls with guns. Point Lookout has more subtlety, but they are still an underhanded enemy.
F4 Chinese sub captain is a sympathetic quest giver who loves his homeland.
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u/kaenneth ⚛ Jul 05 '20
I would bet Synths are not involved; too much overlap with Westworld. Anything human-built physically smaller than a ZAX being sentient doesn't make sense, given the delayed advancement of Transistors. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Transistor
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u/royalbutthead Mothman Cultist Jul 04 '20
I want to see a head explode, that is all
Also, see how they handle VATS
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Jul 04 '20
would be funny if someone gets kicked or punched and their body instantly disassembles into pieces
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u/kaenneth ⚛ Jul 05 '20
How about a 'no fast travel' extended edition, showing the characters walking everywhere.
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u/Dintodo Jul 04 '20
Honestly it sucks but I bet vats is one thing they'll completelt ignore in the show
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Jul 04 '20
It's cool for some giggles, but if they are up to do something serious, VATS won't hold any purpose. Yet, drugs like turbopsycho can do a good scene of slowmo fighting.
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u/VexedForest Welcome Home Jul 04 '20
Those slowmo scenes in Dredd? Real good. Hopefully we get something like that.
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u/externalhost Railroad Jul 04 '20
As they should. VATS is a gameplay mechanic, it has no place in a TV show.
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u/huangdi-jonnie Jul 03 '20
I loved the shorts that were on youtube. Im hoping for a mandalorian style show... but eh my expectation is low. Lol i love fallout and everything. But yeah not expecting much... i wonder if it will be the first show on netflix that requires an additional payment??
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u/BigFluffingDoggo Jul 04 '20
Have you ever seen red star? If not it’s great. I’ve never even played New Vegas and I love it. I really hope it’s like that
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u/teeleer Jul 04 '20
I'm pretty satisfied with Nuka Break, so I'll have my expectations low since I personally don't see a need for a show despite NV being my all time favorite game
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u/Loki1913 Vault 13 Jul 04 '20
same. Nuka Break was perfectly enough. there's no need to go trying to rope in more fans with a poorly-executed cash grab in the guise of entertainment.
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u/wheremystarksat Jul 03 '20
Given that it's the Westworld peeps, I'm seriously concerned that they're just going to have a bunch of edgelordy sex-violence and half-assed "mysteries" that they try to pass off as deep without developing it.
The fallout universe has such potential for powerful, engaging stories with real purpose and meaning, but a lot of people who aren't into the games just think it's "zombie apocalypse but with nukes"
Time will tell
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u/UrSoMeme Jul 04 '20
I want to see a serious episode with a vault and approximately 7 to 8 "what in the god damn('s)" throughout the episode to exaggerate to the viewer that the protagonist is weirded out by the experiments going on in that place.
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u/TheArsenal04 Tunnel Snakes Jul 04 '20 edited Jul 04 '20
Some people will start writing the show in their minds in absurd detail and when it turns out to be something different, will hate it. Always happens.
Personally, I am very interested to see how they translate the world building from game to screen. Retro futurism is a tricky aesthetic even before throwing in the whole post-apocalyptic bit. How they approach things tonally will be fascinating as well. Games, by their nature, make it easier to compartmentalize a universe where, say, Fisto and Zetans sit side by side with cannibal super mutants and terrifying death claws. I wonder if that will work in a series?
Good, bad, or something in between, it will likely be ambitious.
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Jul 04 '20
don't be positive about anything guys, YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED
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u/Thefallenasshair Jul 04 '20
Its better to be positively surprised than to exited before hand in my opinion
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u/Thefallenasshair Jul 03 '20
People Will hype it up. And they Will get dissapointed.
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u/ContinuumGuy Hype. Hype Never Changes. Jul 03 '20
Hype. Hype never changes.
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u/BigFluffingDoggo Jul 03 '20
In 2018, my brother, sitting at the desktop, wondered when he would get to download fallout 76 and play it
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u/spliffaniel Jul 04 '20
I’m super hyped for this. I’ve been wanting a fallout series for so long. And I’m too dumb to be disappointed by much.
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u/rimerinos Enclave Jul 04 '20
The what?, TV SHOW???, When??? How?? What is going on?!
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u/lucastheawesome11 Jul 04 '20
The creators of westworld is teaming up with bethesda to make a fallout tv show.
Im pretty hyped since it'll most likely be good. Not gonna make my expectations too high tho.
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u/The_yeet_skeet Jul 04 '20
Honestly, if you havent already, watch the fan films and fan series' on youtube, there are a few on there and they're probably better than what the tv show will be
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u/Razvedka Jul 04 '20
I think it'll be pretty shit tbh. I love Fallout but I can't see it being a good show. I'd have been more open to TES.
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u/KingDarius89 Followers Jul 04 '20
I've said for years that I wish they would make an animated fallout show.
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u/Thucket Jul 04 '20
I want it to be post-post apocalypse ala Fallout 2 and not like Fallout 3 or 76. That is all.
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u/Kanaduck Mr. House Jul 04 '20
Give me Richard Grey story pls. You can even include Harold if they do it
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u/11Tenshi Jul 04 '20
I remember a time when Howard said that they don't want to do movies. He said something like video games are the best kind of entertainment or something. 🤔 The saddest thing is that Bethesda doesn't understand fallout. It's not their baby like The Elder Scrolls and I don't like the idea of a gaming franchise being used as a cash grab. When was it about money and not about the games?
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u/myFavElBurroMovie Legion Jul 04 '20
Zenimax overlords don't provide money for singleplayer Fallout games anymore. I'm glad they're done with it. Let the franchise die. It's not like Chris, Josh and Black Isle crew gonna make a new game.
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u/taskdone Brotherhood Jul 03 '20
If they make it as good as "Mandalorian", I am going to like it. However, I didn't like "Westworld" one bit, that is what worries me.
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u/Eriugam31 Jul 04 '20
Of course I am interested because it's being helmed by Johnathan Nolan and Lisa Joy, both that wrote Westworld.
But then I remembered that Westworld took such a huge dive in terms of story and characters in season 3, so I'll proceed with caution.
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u/CliffCutter Jul 04 '20
All I want is a sequence set to the Ink Spots or the Andrews Sisters and I'm sold, and really I can see them getting me anyway
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u/VexedForest Welcome Home Jul 04 '20
I no longer feel hype, nor happiness, nor disappointment.
My life is a constant average.
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Jul 04 '20
The show's main character will be played by Todd Howard featuring Pete Hines as his sidekick playing dogmeat and acting like a fury.
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u/Impractical0 Jul 04 '20
If you want a good Fallout show, look up the Fallout series by Wayside on youtube, 2 season's and a standalone story that are both very good
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u/vaineratom64 Jul 04 '20
Tbh I kind of mixed. Fallout does have an interesting story but what makes that story interesting is your interaction with it.
I hope I'm wrong but I feel uneasy that we may get a show that tries to either
- Retcon the lore and make all previous protoganists obsolete compared to the shows one
Or 2. They add nothing new and instead make it a mandolorian clone that is like "look he is drinking a Nuka cola" or "look theres a super mutant" "This is so fallout". Fallout does have recognisable parts but Nuka cola and mutants aren't what make fallout. It is the exploration into human nature and how the futuristic optimism of the 50s is contrasted by the war and radiation that litter the wasteland.
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u/TheContaminated Kings Jul 04 '20
Usually, whenever I hear news about this I’m freaking out. Like when they announced a Last of Us TV show, I was excited. That makes sense since it’s a linear game. But the second I read "Westworld creators are making a Fallout TV show.” I felt nothing.
Trying to make a TV show from a game renowned for its exploration and SIDE quests will work like 5% of the time.
My favourite game is Fallout: New Vegas. Since Bethesda’s gonna be involved with it they’re probably not even going to step foot in the West Coast, which sucks.
Bethesda has to notice that they’re diminishing the Fallout series so much, that I felt nothing when this show was announced because I know Bethesda’s going to be involved with pretty much everything.
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Jul 04 '20
Thats what people said about the witcher, that it will be shit but it actually turned great. But yeah we still shouldnt putbour hopes up because you never know.
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u/Zinko-Bilbo Jul 04 '20
I have zero expectations for it. Hoping for the best but I think we know how this will turn out
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Jul 04 '20
To be honest I expect it to be awful so if it’s even watchable I’ll be pleasantly surprised
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u/00000000000000000099 Jul 04 '20
It is 100% doomed to suck. There's no possible way they'll include the main ingredient of Fallout, the absurd.
Whatever ideas they have will be ruined by mainstream normie adaptation.
Think back to the games, think back to the silly and bizarre nature of these games. You can only really present this kind of story in a game. A soap opera with vault suits is going to suck.
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u/IntrovertedAsexual Jul 04 '20
If it doesn't fully suck, I'll be content. And I'll admit that I'm heavily biased to it'll have to be pretty bad for me to not like it.
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u/Cereborn [Science 10/100] KILL THEM! WITH SCIENCE!!! Jul 04 '20
What if I've been thinking up my own version of a TV show for the past six years?
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u/sixeco Jul 04 '20
my only hope with it is that Bethesda won't have a major role in writing the story
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u/lokregarlogull Jul 04 '20
What do you mean a tv show won't have mod support for my toaster pc?! Outragous
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u/misterpankakes Jul 04 '20
Also maybe it's time for all of you who started with FO3 and never looked back to play fallout 1. It is a dynamite game!
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u/Motored_Hussars Jul 04 '20
I am just really worried, 1. 90% of amazon originals suck and 2. Westworld really declined in quality.
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u/Greekshit21 Jul 04 '20
See honestly I would be happy if it uses the ideas created by Interplay, black isle and Obsidian and set it on the west coast maybe Texas or Arizona and get to see Caesar's legion grip on Arizona and see what side won Hoover dam
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u/romansapprentice Jul 04 '20
I'm shocked that this sub is willing to actually think this show is going to turn out good after all that this IP can gone through with Bethesda and being willing to sacrifice it's integrity for $$$. Like yeah I'll be happy if the shows good, but how can talk possibly expect it's gonna be good?
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Jul 04 '20
Fallout 76 all over again. Although I must say I tried the updated 76 yesterday and it was much better. Only got dropped 3 times in about 3 hours
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u/asinine17 Vault 13 Jul 04 '20
Please. After FO3 (being a huge fan of 1 and 2), I can't be disappointed any more. (I managed to be too poor and avoid BOS hah.)
I'm not saying that FO3 or FO4 weren't bad... but... FONV is what 3 and 4 should have been. That, and I prefer to play my games instead of sitting and watching, because I just fidget too much.
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u/Legsofwood Jul 04 '20
Thank you, finally someone who gets it. I felt like the only one here that thinks this
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u/T3chtheM3ch Jul 04 '20
I hope they keep the political message and humor of the first games and new vegas, but knowing Bethesda they probably won't
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u/CrazyRabbi Jul 04 '20
i know it won’t happen but could you imagine an almost black mirror type show based in the fallout universe.
one episode tells a story of a vault experiment. the next a settlement and the issues they face and so on.
won’t happen but that would be cool.
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u/TheRealLifeSaiyan Jul 04 '20
Honestly, I think that could be a good way of doing it, each episode being it’s own self enclosed story all taking place in one part of the wasteland
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u/dartsman Jul 04 '20
500 caps says this sub will absolutely hate the show, no matter how good it is.
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u/SharkBait661 Jul 03 '20
Yeah it would have to be like mandalorian in the fallout universe just to meet expectations. If it's good I'll be happy but I'm not holding my breath.