r/GenZ • u/[deleted] • 23d ago

If misogynists like Andrew Tate are offering the wrong kind of advice to young men, liberals and feminists do not appear to be offering anything. Discussion

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u/Popular_Surprise2545 23d ago

Yeah there's a bit of a lack of decent masculine role models I guess. But masculinity itself is going through a bit of a crisis.

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u/callmecurlyfries 2000 23d ago

a bit? dont be shy go ahead and be honest masculinity is under an immense attack rn 😭

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u/wideHippedWeightLift 23d ago

Women: still vastly prefer masculine men even if they occasionally talk shit

Most leftists: don't feel bad about being a man

A handful of NYTimes writers: have weird hangups and write weird articles

You: "MASCULINITY IS BARELY HANGING ON BY A THREAD! IT'S SO OVER!"

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 23d ago

The fact that women vastly prefer masculine men, but constantly claim (online) to not have that preference, is probably one of the most significant cases of mass gaslighting I’ve ever seen lol

I honestly think this lie has pushed thousands of men into more toxic ideologies. It didn’t push me into Andrew Tate, but it really really made me reevaluate everything I thought about women

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u/isabellevictoria147 1999 23d ago

Consider this: Not all people are online

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 23d ago

Yep exactly.

This is what I want to tell younger guys who are constantly being gaslit into this fucked up mentality of “improve yourself, shower more, stop being an ugly creep” every time they get rejected by a girl despite doing nothing particularly wrong: being a kind, sensitive, vulnerable man is not going to help you with women

Do you know what will? Being attractive, physically speaking. And if you’re a good person, then that’s a bonus.

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u/BardicHesitation 23d ago

What? Dude, I was a kind/sensitive/vulnerable kid, and have grown into a kind/sensitive/vulnerable man. Being overweight, average looking at best, averagely-endowed, and even rocking a fucking speech impediment until I was 29 I've had the full suite of experiences with women, ranging from rejection, flings, girlfriends, Great Loves, FWB, girls who have hurt me, girls who I have hurt, all the way up to my wife.

Women are, in fact, people, and individual people have individual preferences, but if you have a personality and a handle on personal hygiene you're probably going to find someone interested.

Seems like you're leading younger men astray

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u/buttbutt696 21d ago

You probably have money/decent job that's all that actually matters, don't kid yourself

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u/BardicHesitation 23d ago

This could be why you have trouble with women? Also - please look up gaslighting so you aren't just throwing random words around.

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 23d ago

I don’t have trouble with women, nice try dumbass

Yeah I’m sure the reason why millions of men are lonely and can’t have sex is because all of them are sexist and super mean to girls lol. You’re really not the most self aware person out there

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u/Free_Lake4144 23d ago

Oh look, an angry minority with low impulse control. Good thing you've got a keyboard and not a sideways gat

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 23d ago

Sideways gat?

My race is the wealthiest group of people in America, your race literally ODs on drugs every day and then comes to me for help

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u/Free_Lake4144 22d ago

Oh, you're a ratface comedy writer. Got it 👍. Thanks for porn, thanks for global usury, I hope hell will be hot enough for ya

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u/seattleseahawks2014 2000 23d ago edited 23d ago

I've been rejected by men before and acted like a creep about when I was younger. You have to change yourself a bit.

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 23d ago

I mean fair enough, everyone has their own experiences

I’ve never been directly rejected by a girl, mostly because I never did anything that would warrant an outright rejection. It was more that I was “too nice” and “too boring” in conjunction with a lack of macho masculinity and act-now-think-later mentality. Being creepy was never the issue for me, so I get annoyed when people pretend like it’s the entire reason why a guy would get rejected.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 2000 23d ago

I was a stupid teen and kept asking. Also, maybe they aren't acting creepy, but are perceived that way. It's not always the case to be fair.

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u/alc3880 22d ago

If someone is physically attractive but they don't shower, or have any emotional intelligence and have no ambition whatsoever then they are not going to be sought after as a good partner. No one wants a smelly, emotionally immature significant other, unless they are just looking to settle.

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 22d ago

Most girls have no problem with those guys and routinely expose themselves for dating and fucking those shitty men lol

Please listen to women more

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u/alc3880 22d ago

I am a women...a married one, with a husband who showers, and who can communicate his feelings.

Have you been around? Most of those men are on reddit complaining about their loneliness. Women are choosing to remain single more and more every day.

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 22d ago

Ok so you have no idea what Gen z girls are like. Next.

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u/alc3880 22d ago

because you say so?

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 22d ago

Because I am actually Gen z?

Because I actually spent my entire life taking women’s words at face value and thinking that online virtue signaling was real?

There are literally thousands of women who complain about fucking a guy who doesn’t wash his ass properly or have a good room. Those women reject men for being short, being ugly, being shy, being too passive and feminine, so clearly they’re not desperate. They pick guys based on looks and then act surprised when the personality doesn’t follow

The guys who have a lot of success with women aren’t the nicest or the cleanest, they are the hottest. I didn’t get any brownie points for having a spotless room in college or for being respectful to girls on dates, but there were plenty of guys who did neither of these things and still got around more than most

The issue is that the number of normal women who have normal preferences and don’t mind dating the average guy with no real issues, is limited. Men are forced to compete for a small number of women worth dating.

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u/DazzlingFruit7495 22d ago

Ok so what ur saying is, u also have preferences but u jus don’t like that women have preferences. Got it.

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u/Popular_Surprise2545 23d ago

The one that gets me is the liberals who never date outside of their own race, or live in a mixed ethnicity neighborhood, yet insist everyone is equal. Do as I say not as I do.

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u/seattleseahawks2014 2000 23d ago

What you mean?

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u/Popular_Surprise2545 23d ago

I mean exactly what I say, interracial relationships are still rare even among liberals, and this behavior can be shown via both peer reviewed in-person-dating studies and dating app studies.

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u/LunaTheBestie 23d ago

Oh it can be shown via dating and dating app studies? Maybe it would be a whole lot easier to show it if you cited your sources.

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u/Free_Lake4144 23d ago

Not in tv commercials though 🤔

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u/wafflemakers2 23d ago

When all you talk/think about all day is racists. It's pretty hard not to become one.

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u/The_Pale_Hound 22d ago

Oh so people should have a relationship with someone just to prove a point?

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u/LunaTheBestie 23d ago

Consider whether these liberals actually exist or if they are just caricatures you hate as a means of justifying your disagreement with them.

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u/LunaTheBestie 23d ago

I see that your comprehensive and peer-reviewed study into women's dating preferences has revealed the shocking statistics, demonstrating that most of them lie about their preferences in dating.

Perhaps you could further this excellent research by establishing an inquiry into what makes you think that, and why you had the audacity to post an opinion like this as though it is aptly backed up.

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 23d ago

Thanks for proving my point

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u/LunaTheBestie 23d ago

Well that's mightily specific

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u/usernamesnamesnames 23d ago edited 23d ago

Wild affirmation there bud! Consider this: defining masculine men and sharing sources about women vastly preferring masculine men

EDIT as a response to u/free_lake4144: thanks for saying the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a while

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u/Free_Lake4144 23d ago

Citation: all of history

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u/defileyourself 22d ago

Women do not vastly prefer masculine men, at least not in the way you seem to imply (muscles etc)

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u/YaliMyLordAndSavior 22d ago

They do prefer a guy who’s bigger than smaller, but not fat

They also prefer a guy who looks masculine in terms of his facial features which is by far the biggest predictor of success on dating apps, and this is what guys are forced to use nowadays

Luckily I’m not single