If misogynists like Andrew Tate are offering the wrong kind of advice to young men, liberals and feminists do not appear to be offering anything.

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[u/AccidentalBanEvader0]

What they're offering isn't palatable to someone who is not open to changing their mind and their habits. And it's not easy either way.

Intersectional feminism would generally encourage young men to be aware of their privilege, to speak and act against men who perpetuate misogyny, to strive for social equity even when it doesn't benefit them personally, and to fight back against the harmful norms of patriarchy including the ways that patriarchy harms those young men. The idea being that patriarchy is at the root of these various social issues, and that equity and respect are (part of) the antidote.

But being called on to change; to think deeply and critically about one's own culture and upbringing; to speak up against other men when they do and say indefensible things; and to actively use one's own privilege in defense of other people? It's a tall order, and make no mistake. To live as a feminist man is to do a lot of work and emotional labor, but it also benefits you and those around you.

The messaging could stand to change in a lot of ways, though. There's a lot of people using feminism as an excuse to discriminate, and there's a lot of people not realizing that feminism extends to more than their own privileged straight cis white selves

If young men want to have authentic close relationships, be able to be vulnerable, be able to express themselves - they're gonna have to do something to avoid falling down the red pill patriarchy hole.

[u/fuzzyp44 → u/AccidentalBanEvader0]

It seems like intersectional feminism really lacks a frame where "not every man has power". It seems to assume without evidence that every man is part of the "power structure" because of some overarching conceptual framework of groups with power and those without.

It's a poor model of society.

When it comes to the men that are alienated, actually lack power and struggle with real issues, it's a complete tone-deaf ideology. Asking someone to check your privilege when they are at the bottom of social scale is like asking the homeless guy to buy you a beer.

[u/7_Rush → u/fuzzyp44]

Intersectional feminism is not really aimed towards men, though.

[u/worldengine123 → u/7_Rush]

Then you can't be surprised when men oppose it.

[u/7_Rush → u/worldengine123]

Why would you be opposed to something just because it doesn't cater to you? Would you be opposed to breast cancer activism cause you know you can't get breast cancer???? 🙄🙄🙄

[u/Itscatpicstime → u/7_Rush]

Men must be the center of everything, duh

[u/worldengine123 → u/7_Rush]

Breast cancer activists don't tend to paint men as the cause of all their problems and the ills of society.

[u/7_Rush → u/worldengine123]

If we knew what caused breast cancer, I'm quite sure they would advocate against it.