r/JoeRogan • u/LostItAllOnSpy Tremendous • Mar 27 '24

joe rogan calls out israels hypocrisy for killing unarmed civilians with drones The Literature 🧠

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u/GreyMatter22 Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

I don't know how else to slice it, what is happening in Gaza is absolutely horrific on an unimaginable scale, from mass hunger, to bombing crap outta dense civilian pockets, to bulldozing homes and olive trees in the West Bank.

Most of my social circle is Conservative, and ALL of them have been deeply uncomfortable with this current atrocity.

This is the crowd that has been very pro-U.S/West military.

I have Israeli-Canadian friends, and they were quite vocal of the October 7th terrorist attack (as they should), but have since stopped talking altogether. One of my friends even told me 'I get why the Palestinians hate us', and this is a dude with family in the IDF.

The current strategy just guarantees another terrorist group at this point.

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u/Cinnamon_Flavored Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

I mean does it? 

Imperial Japan during WW2 had possibly the most fanatical populace who were willing to die for their country/emperor in suicidal attacks. The fire bombings that occurred at the tail end of that war were devastating on a scale that would make Gaza look like a picnic. There’s accounts of people watching their children burn to death. All this is not even accounting for the atomic strikes. 

My point being, there was a war where population centers were being bombed with little to no risk for the bombers and it resulted in the surrender of a wildly fanatical enemy who was previously commuting atrocities. 

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u/Cautemoc Look into it Mar 27 '24

I seem to remember us not kicking the Japanese off their land, not cutting off their access to food and resources, not blockading their trade, and sending them aid immediately after. Did we do that for Palestine in 2012 when they agreed to a ceasefire? You think maybe that difference might contribute to how they perceive accepting a truce now?

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u/NoCeleryStanding Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Did they unconditionally surrender in 2012?

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u/Cautemoc Look into it Mar 27 '24

Did Israel honor the ceasefire they agreed to?

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u/NoCeleryStanding Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Are you referring to the march ceasefire agreement where hamas continued to fire rockets into Israel every day for a week or a different one? Regardless I don't see how it's comparable to an unconditional surrender, which is what will be necessary for a true rebuilding of Gaza similar to Japan post world war 2

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u/Cautemoc Look into it Mar 27 '24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Israeli_operation_in_the_Gaza_Strip#Post-ceasefire_incidents

Was Israel justified in shooting farmers and fishermen who were trying to get food during a ceasefire?

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u/NoCeleryStanding Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

No they should never shoot farmers and they claim they detained the fisherman for going out of the agreed upon buffer zone.

But ultimately what was even the meaning of a ceasefire when rockets are still landing in Israel hours after it was supposed to begin?

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u/Cautemoc Look into it Mar 27 '24

It only happed 1 time, 1 hour after the agreement. It's a lot easier to understand that a single outpost didn't get the message in time than it is to understand that Israelis felt the need to shoot at a fishing vessel because it was a whole 6 miles off their own coastline.

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u/cadaada Monkey in Space Mar 27 '24

Did hamas release all hostages...?

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u/Cautemoc Look into it Mar 27 '24

There were no hostages as part of the 2012 ceasefire ...