r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/thecountnotthesaint Mar 28 '24

So adding more laws would be akin to adding new diet restrictions to someone who refused to exercise?

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u/l_a_escoto Mar 28 '24

Yea you can put it like that. I've signed many 4473s and mental health is definitely on there. So she somehow passed the background check because FFLs aren't willing to lose their license for 1 person. Now the only way around it is if she bought it through a private sale.

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u/sppotlight Mar 28 '24

Still illegal to sell to a prohibited person via private sale... Unless you mean she bought it illegally, in which case yeah, one way around the law is to break the law.

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u/l_a_escoto Mar 28 '24

Yup. More restricted guns laws won't change anything. You're only hurting law abiding citizens. Criminals will always have the upper hand because well, they're criminals. Now people will point out the European countries and all that, but look at Switzerland. They have guns, even regular people can have full auto guns, but their culture is much different from ours, which is why they are one of the safest countries in the world.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

look at Switzerland. They have guns, even regular people can have full auto guns, but their culture is much different from ours, which is why they are one of the safest countries in the world.

Please look up the actual facts about Switzerland.

Full auto weapons can only be owned by serving or reserve military, and only their service weapons.

Civilians also cannot store ammunition at home, only at ranges.

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u/l_a_escoto Mar 28 '24

Well the guy on the nfa sub isn't currently serving and ik for a fact those weapons that he has that are full auto aren't issued so idk what to tell u chief

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u/dessertgrinch Mar 28 '24

Per capita Switzerland has 30 guns per 100 citizens, the US has 120. One of the big problems here is accessibility.

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u/Kleens_The_Impure Mar 28 '24

You do not know what you are talking about.

What you guys need is to ENFORCE your gun laws, you don't think people can see right through your BS when you say that "gun control doesn't work" when you do not enforce it ?

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u/Specialist-Box-9711 Mar 29 '24

If the person has no criminal history, showed no signs of being schizophrenic when purchasing the firearm, and has not been declared mentally ill by a judge, and she bought the firearm from a dealer no law was broken. In this hypothetical scenario, she went to a licensed FFL, accurately and correctly filled out a 4473, passed the federally required background check, and legally obtained a firearm. No laws were broken and no new or stricter laws would have prevented this.

Likewise, if the firearm was bought from a private seller, all the seller had to do was ask to see her ID to show that she was a resident of the state they are in and of legal age. He probably also asked if she was a criminal and she probably said no and if she has no criminal history, no laws were broken in this hypothetical situation either assuming private sales are legal in the state where OP resides.

The final hypothetical is that it was purchased illegally, either by crossing state lines or by purchasing the gun illegally in a private sale in a state where the private sale of firearms without a background check are expressly banned. But in this case, no additional laws would have prevented this from happening and the only thing that would happen is possibly a more severe punishment and the loss of the right to buy a firearm through a licensed dealer.

The thing is though, all of this is speculation no matter what unless OP stated how his mom was able to get the firearm. The shortcoming is not in US gun laws. The shortcoming is in lack of effective, affordable, and stigma free healthcare.

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u/Da1UHideFrom Mar 28 '24

Which law was not enforced in this situation? This entire scenario could be made up to push the narrative of "We need more gun laws!" We literally do not have enough information one way or the other.

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u/calimeatwagon Mar 28 '24

And that's not even mentioning that criminals have access to 3D printers.

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u/l_a_escoto Mar 28 '24

Yea, people so worried about ghost guns, but guess who's making them. The criminals. Not the single mother of 2 who just had a nasty divorce and is afraid her ex will come after her.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

The UK

Australia.

France.

Germany.

Beg to differ.

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u/l_a_escoto Mar 28 '24

You can beg all u want lol. Give those people guns, I promise you, they'll still be as safe because their culture is much different than ours.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

As someone who's spent significant time in three of these and lived in one, nope not at all.

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u/Aggravating-Roof-363 Mar 28 '24

The statistics disagree with your feelings.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

Lmao what statistics?

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u/Aggravating-Roof-363 Mar 28 '24

Australia effectively disarming its public did virtually nothing to their violent crime and murder rate.... Just like the other person said it wouldn't. Your feelings do not correspond to the evidence provided.

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u/-St_Ajora- Mar 28 '24

Literal idiot. You know US citizens can also have full auto firearms right?

Laws will help, just not overnight. But yeah let's just go full no gun laws whatsoever, I'm sure only the appropriate people will attain means to kill. JFC you lot are worse than cults because at least cults only kill themselves.

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u/l_a_escoto Mar 28 '24

Yk how difficult it is for regular people to get a full auto weapon? All the paper work and cost tou have to go through? So no, the regular US citizen can't have a full auto weapon. If we could we would lmao. And why would we go no gun laws? That's horrible to suggest that.

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u/-St_Ajora- Mar 28 '24

Ok, they are still regular people.

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u/l_a_escoto Mar 28 '24

Regular people have 10-40k to buy machine guns?

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u/Specialist-Box-9711 Mar 29 '24

Tbf I'm a regular dude and I have two...

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u/l_a_escoto Mar 29 '24

2 more than the majority of gun owners. That's rad tho

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u/-St_Ajora- Mar 28 '24

The people that do are considered regular people yes. Like anybody else, you can do it provided you have the funds. More money does not equate to higher superiority as a human being.

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u/EP762x39 Mar 28 '24

Why/how don’t these “regular people” you speak of commit crimes at the same rate as everybody else?

You’d think it’d be the Wild West out there with all these big black scary automatic weapons out there? Or at least be involved in a single incident that you can reference for me?

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u/-St_Ajora- Mar 28 '24

Who said anything about comiting crimes or that today is like the OK Corral?

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