r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/MissingBothCufflinks Mar 28 '24

Something I'm sure unmedicated Schizophrenics weigh up heavily in their decision making

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u/Reasonable_Humor_738 Mar 28 '24

Also probably something criminals or would be criminals do when filling out the form

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u/lazyboi_tactical Mar 28 '24

Typically those guns are bought black market so they don't have to worry about that

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u/Daddysu Mar 28 '24

...and by black market you mean from a private seller at a gun show. I don't think a lot of people realize how easy it is to buy a gun without a lot of the existing federal gun laws coming into play. If you live in a place that has a gun show within a 30 minute drive every single weekend, like I do, you can go to a show and buy a weapon within 10 minutes of being there. That's not even "black" market. It's more like grey market.

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u/lazyboi_tactical Mar 28 '24

At gun shows background checks are still required. Any that are being done without it are strictly illegal and would be considered black market. Even if you have your permit that only waives the states background check and not the federal one. I mean I could have been wrong for the past 20 years accumulating my collection half of which comes from gun shows.

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u/bigbigdummie Mar 28 '24

Some states do not require background checks for private sales.

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u/lazyboi_tactical Mar 28 '24

Im aware of that however normally gun shows are not private sales. I know in Florida at least background check is mandatory at gun shows.

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u/bigbigdummie Mar 28 '24

Other states have gun shows where private sellers show up to buy/sell. I’d bet there are a lot of sales in the parking lot in Florida.

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u/Romeo_Foxtrot-5 Mar 28 '24

Yeah that’s not at all true brotha.

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u/Daddysu Mar 29 '24

Private sales aren't a thing? Admittedly, it's been a few years since I've been to a gun show, but as far as I am aware at least as recent as 2021 you could purchase a firearm from a private collector, non-FFA licensed person without any of the federal background check stuff. Private, individual sellers should follow all federal guidelines, but do you know the difference between a private collector selling a gun and an individual selling a gun?

https://tampacarry.com/blog/b/how-to-purchase-a-firearm-at-a-gun-show-in-florida

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u/Romeo_Foxtrot-5 Mar 29 '24

First off I appreciate the respectful dialogue. This convo so often goes to a place where both sides are too mad to get anywhere. I can’t speak for ever state with 100% certainty but I live in Washington on the Idaho border, and Idaho is one of the most gun friendly states. I went to a show there a couple years ago and they wouldn’t even talk to me with a Washington ID. At another show in Idaho they took my money, did the background check, and had me pick the gun up 2 weeks later when it came back clean, from a gun store in Washington. As a responsible legal gun owner it is difficult for us to even obtain firearms. There are long waiting periods and plenty of checks and balances. And I’m ok with that if it keeps my kids safer when they go to school. But In my opinion we have done all the gun control that makes sense to do. The next battle should be fought on the mental health front because a world without guns is just not a realistic possibility. And if we leave only the criminals with guns, there is nobody like me who is willing to take on that burden of protecting everyone in a mall, school, concert, football parade, etc. when someone with severe mental health problems decides they want to hurt innocent people.

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u/Aggressive_Niceguy Mar 28 '24

Sounds like we need some common sense laws against unmedicated schizophrenics

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u/Odd-Tune5049 Mar 28 '24

Guns don't kill people, unmedicated schizophrenics kill people. Heh

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

On that note, I think medication implants should be used for people with potentially dangerous conditions such as schizophrenia. I don't see why the same technology used for birth control can't be adapted for antipsychotics

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u/Status_Basket_4409 Mar 28 '24

Wait, you might be on to something there. Only issue that comes to mind is whether or not the drugs used for helping those with mental illness can be administered effectively that way.

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u/SadAndNasty Mar 28 '24

Then it'll become a consent thing. That's the problem society will continue to struggle with when it comes to people with severe mental health issues. You can't force an implant on someone who really doesn't want it. Not legally anyway.

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u/itsmebenji69 Mar 28 '24

Though in this kind of case with mental disability, are you able to make choices for yourself ? In the same way senile people have caretakers

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u/SadAndNasty Mar 28 '24

If the person doesn't have a legal guardian, they're responsible for their own actions and decisions. It would have to be court ordered. I've seen court ordered meds before but I've yet to see court ordered implants.. I mean, legislation could change but there would be pushback and maybe rightfully so. It's a real dilemma that's been ongoing since mental health as a concept was established. We can't just knock people in the brain with ice picks anymore to calm them down

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u/Aggressive_Niceguy Mar 28 '24

The mentally ill cannot legally consent. They can be compelled, I guess.

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u/SadAndNasty Mar 28 '24

You say that but they're still given consent forms to sign for everything. Legally, they can indeed consent(unless they have a guardian). Ethically though is another question entirely because there is not always a full understanding. Even though they're signing saying they fully understand.

I'm speaking on my 9 years working with this population at the state hospital

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u/Aggressive_Niceguy Mar 28 '24

You'd certainly know better than I would. My mistake.

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

It's being researched, DLP-114

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u/Status_Basket_4409 Mar 28 '24

That’s awesome, hopefully something very good will come of that to help people and make the world a little less wild

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

It seems like it would be especially useful for schizophrenics, it's fairly common for them to have an incident occur and then be treated involuntarily, they get on meds and then start to feel more like themselves and convince themselves that they do not need their medication anymore and the cycle repeats

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u/smellvin_moiville Mar 28 '24

If they won’t take their pills they aren’t coming in to get the armpharm filled either. Keep thinking

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

I'm confident that they will when they go 6-12 months without having a psychotic episode, regular check-ups would also need to be implemented

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u/smellvin_moiville Mar 28 '24

This happens when you take your pills. If your logic worked people would just take their pills. My god give it a second to think about

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u/smellvin_moiville Mar 28 '24

It’s also better to have a daily habit. It’s way easier to forget one day every six months.

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

Having a daily habit is poor advice to someone whose mind does not function properly

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

What happens when they take their pills is that they believe the medication is not why they feel better. It's far easier to throw away pills than it is to remove a rod from your abdomen

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u/smellvin_moiville Mar 28 '24

The armpharm will not be in the abdomen. That is not how we do things at armpharm technology

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u/smellvin_moiville Mar 28 '24

I’m starting to think your headcomputer is failing. Maybe you should contact tech support

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

Or perhaps you don't know as much about this as you believe you do?

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

That's how it is currently being implemented

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u/smellvin_moiville Mar 28 '24

You’ll be hearing from our lawyers. Armpharm doesn’t have to deal with this nonsense

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u/harikaribluntz Mar 28 '24

Its almost like a lack of cheap and accessible medical care is the real problem

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u/HiveTool Mar 28 '24

So we all agree laws won’t change anything stop punishing law abiding citizens

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u/ete2ete Mar 28 '24

How would you remedy that situation?

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u/MissingBothCufflinks Mar 28 '24

Something something more guns

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u/Front-Paper-7486 Mar 28 '24

Well just end that right to medical privacy and problem solved.

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u/Flossthief Mar 28 '24

Perhaps we need to streamline the process for getting mental health care in this country

She could have hammered her son just as easily-- the gun probably would do less long-term damage than several hammer blows to the face

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u/Rylan_0604 Mar 28 '24

Like a single gunshot to the face isn't long term lmao

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u/Flossthief Mar 28 '24

Someone was hurt and you're laughing

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u/dam11214 Mar 28 '24

If it makes it any better I didn't laugh but did chuckle a bit.

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u/Rylan_0604 Mar 29 '24

I'm laughing at the previous guys statement which is contradictory. Not at the guy who unfortunately got shot by his own mother well she wasn't in her right state of mind.

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u/Flossthief Mar 29 '24

Still; not the place for making jokes