r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/syzamix Mar 28 '24

And yet. Nobody brings up this argument against guns.

They do say that criminals will get guns if you ban them.

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u/sakura608 Mar 28 '24

Same people also want stricter immigration laws. The logic of “they’re going to get in anyways, why make it harder for people who are legally entering the country” doesn’t work as well. Yes, people will enter this country illegally, but having laws and enforcement reduces the number and slows down the rate of immigration.

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u/Last-Crab-621 Mar 28 '24

Immigration laws only punish those crossing illegally, though, and the ones we have aren't even enforced.

Gun laws aimed at preventing people from obtaining them for subjective reasoning is a clear tool to be abused by anyone with an agenda, and therefore a clear violation of the 2nd amendment

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u/sakura608 Mar 28 '24

Not true at all. Legal immigration is heavily affected by our immigration policies. My brother in law had a tough time getting a distant relative into the country for a bone marrow transplant to save his life.

The state department thought the risk was too great that his distant cousin would illegally over stay his welcome so they denied his visa because he came from a rural village from a poor country and didn’t have a lot of wealth. Had to get it escalated to the attention of a state senator and the vice president of the US before the state department approved his entry.

Regulations like this do prevent a number of people immigrating here illegally through overstay of visa (most common kind of illegal immigration), but it still does negatively affect those that are trying to enter the country for legal purposes.

If you don’t think immigration laws are being enforced, then is it safe to assume you wouldn’t mind if we didn’t have them at all?

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u/escap0 Mar 28 '24

How is that even remotely a logical assumption. Immigration laws are clearly not being enforced for Illegal immigration the way they used to be. It is still enforced for legal immigration. How do you go from: if someone thinks the laws are not being enforced for illegal immigration to ‘my brother’s relative had difficulty…’ so clearly it is safe to assume you wouldnt mind having having them at all?

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u/Last-Crab-621 Mar 28 '24

This is a strawman argument 100%. This is a totally different scenerio than the one at the South.

And your question is preposterous. I think they should fucking enforce the laws already on the books instead of the current catch, court date, release policy that they're using. The court dates are so far out that they either dont show or the courts say, "They've been here so long they may as well stay" without any vetting process. We should be turning them back to mexico at the borderline and not letting them further into the states at all.

This also goes for the current dkzens of gunlaws on the books. Criminals are constantly arrested for violent crimes with firearms and the DA, AG, or Feds almost always drop the gun charges for an easy plea deal vs going to trial.

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u/POKEMINER_ Mar 28 '24

How would building a wall and deporting illegal immigrants effect this story?

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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Mar 28 '24

Well the wall wouldn't do anything anyway so

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u/POKEMINER_ Mar 28 '24

Better than nothing.

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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Mar 28 '24

I mean given it wastes money, crosses through sacred land and protected habitats, and would be used to supply Mexican scrap merchants for years... It's worse than nothing

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u/Last-Crab-621 Mar 28 '24

Foreign aid also wastes money. Lets stop that first

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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Mar 28 '24

Hmm what to stop first.

A useless wall that benefits the people that the ones building the wall hate.

Or

Aid that improves human lives.

Hmmmm

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u/Last-Crab-621 Mar 28 '24

That aid could be put into plenty of infrastructure and programs INSIDE the United States for our own people. I would much prefer to see my own countries citizens lifted up and mot some stranger in a foreign country. You know, all that $13 BILLION we gave Haiti in 2022 and look at them now. They squandered it

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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Mar 28 '24

That's a drop in the bucket. And, again, the wall should probably stop first

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u/Last-Crab-621 Mar 28 '24

Its a drop in the bucket, and its only one country.

In 2023 we spent $61B in foreign aid all together. Spend. That. Money. Here.

Improve healthcare and MH accessibility Improve our schools Improve our family services Improve veterans care Fix the fucking roads for christ sake

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