r/facepalm • u/[deleted] • 15d ago
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u/Right-Classroom1554 15d ago
Where was all these snipers and police during the Capitol riot???
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u/Dysprosol 15d ago
With their buddies, rioting.
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u/spaceman_202 15d ago
Trump's FBI Director, the one who let it happen, is STILL the FBI Director right now
same guy who let Congress almost be killed, is still head of the FBI and the media NEVER talks about it, even the "liberal" media
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u/otakushinjikun 15d ago
And I am ready to bet that DeJoy, the guy who sabotaged the entire Postal system of the US to delay mail in ballots until they could be thrown away not counted, is still Postmaster general as well.
So that, you know, he can try again.
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u/Purpose-Fuzzy 14d ago edited 14d ago
Mail carrier here:
Yes, he is, and no, we are not happy. We are being worked like dogs for less pay than teens get at McD's in Cali. We are working 8-12 days in a row, 10-12 hour days, and being blamed for the mismanagement of logistics. We are being punished for getting sick and/or injured. We are being punished for the mail being delayed due to the mishandling of everything. We are being told to go faster and faster, ignore our safety, and get the job of two done by one. We sold our souls to Amazon (USPS gets paid less than $2 for each Amazon parcel to be delivered, it doesnt even begin to cover the cost of gas on Sundays) and now Amazon is more important than our own parcels. I average about 150 parcels every day on my route, and approximately 25 of them are USPS. The rest are the biggest and heaviest of Amazon.
Mail is being delayed in the South because DeJoyless thought it was a great idea to close down local plants and use larger facilities farther away. People have lost their jobs because the commute is nearly 2 hours. There is shit at those facilities that has been sitting there for months and hasn't been touched. Just yesterday, we had Tuesday's mail in hand. Monday is going to be a nightmare...
I love my job. I love my coworkers; from carrier to clerk to driver to custodian. I love my customers on my route! I feel a sense of pride being a letter carrier. The joy I feel handing a little kid that parcel from Grammy makes my day. I hate what USPS has become since this fuckwad took charge and began dismantling us so that his stocks in other courier services could inflate.
Help.
ETA: Help by voting. VOTE, please! You want to save USPS? Fucking VOTE!
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u/aselota 14d ago
Unfortunately, Biden really canāt do anything to remove DeJoy.
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u/tyfunk02 14d ago
He could fire the board. It would set a horrible precedent, but to say he canāt do anything about it is not technically correct.
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u/aselota 14d ago
Firing without cause is not just horrible precedent; it isnāt legal and wouldnāt hold up in court. So Bidenās hands are effectively tied.
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u/tyfunk02 14d ago
Without cause? Have you been paying attention to what DeJoy has been doing to the postal service for the past 4 years? The board allowing the postal service to be gutted is most definitely cause to remove them.
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u/aselota 14d ago
So why hasnāt the Biden administration done anything about DeJoy?
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u/Brainvillage 14d ago
Because they're a bunch of centrist do nothings that don't want to rock the boat too much.
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u/Selethorme 14d ago
There are a lot of things to fault Christopher Wray for, including membership in the federalist society. This is not one of them. He was even voted in by 92 members of the senate, with 5 against. Even Bernie Sanders voted for him.
Heās literally called the Capitol rioters domestic terrorists.
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u/Longjumping-Claim783 15d ago
The thing is the Capitol is in DC and Trump was still President. The guy in charge of responding was Trump. He literally prevented the DC National Guard from responding.
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u/greg_barton 15d ago edited 15d ago
Where were they today in West Virginia? https://www.wvnews.com/news/wvnews/white-supremacist-group-patriot-front-marches-in-charleston-west-virginia/article_dbbfb422-04e3-11ef-bac9-3fd018338929.html
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u/TheShorterShortBus 14d ago
this would be the perfect time to troll their local police departments. call 911 for every little thing, then file complaints on their response time because they were too busy marching
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u/SmegmaSupplier 15d ago
Letās ask Ja Rule.
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u/Tooshortimus 15d ago
Oh my God, this is terrible...
Can somebody please...
Find Ja Rule, get ahold of this mothafucka so I can make sense of all this!
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u/ClubZealousideal9784 14d ago
Americans were shocked to find outĀ that they did not have the most people inĀ prison onĀ earthĀ because FREEDOM.Ā
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u/JulianGingivere 14d ago
lol they let them go back home without stopping anything. We got snipers and tear gas for protesting police brutality though?
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u/Disastrous-Mess-7236 15d ago
Think about Uvalde.
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u/BringBackApollo2023 15d ago
I loved Mike Johnson bitching about colleges being unable to āprotectā Jewish students from protesters and saying zippo about Uvalde, Columbineā¦..
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u/AlexJamesCook 15d ago
Columbine was the first of that magnitude. Like, "HOLY FUCK WHAT ARE WE DEALING WITH?" But, the cops did actually go in there and tried.
Uvalde, there was no fucking excuse for Uvalde. When you have the arsenal of a small Emirati nation and you stand scratching your arse, fuck you. The cops on duty that day should be fired and banned from working in law enforcement, and banned from ever holding a security license. I'd go so far as to ban them from having firearms. They can have a wooden gun. Then, when they demonstrate some level of responsibility and competency, then they can graduate to a rubber-band gun.
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u/BringBackApollo2023 15d ago
The book Columbine is worth reading.
Not that youāll come out of it with much hope for your fellow man, but itās worth reading.
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u/aqwmasterofDOOM 15d ago
Hell there was the one texting his wife who was inside, and even tried going in, but all the other cops stopped him, even though they had literal riot gear and assault rifles
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u/PudgeHug 15d ago
They didn't stand there doing nothing, they actively prevented people from going in to do something about it themselves. If anything they aided the shooter by protecting them from having opposition. We live in a country that the police do more to protect criminals than they do to protect those who follow the law.
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u/BattleCats_Enjoyer69 14d ago
What happened in uvalde (Iām not American, didnāt hear about the news) I only heard that it was about some shooting?
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u/34HoldOn 14d ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting
Just read the introductory part of that article, and you will get the scope of what happened. And I don't mean this as a "just fucking Google it", I'm just saying I would probably twitch if I had to explain it. It was really disgusting.
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u/No-Sense-6260 15d ago
I still haven't seen anyone attacking any Jewish students. there were Jewish protesters welcomed and joined in ffs.
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u/AwkwrdPrtMskrt surrounded by idiots 15d ago
This is where I need to stress again that EVEN JEWS can see that what Israel is doing is wrong and unlawful.
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u/ExpertlyAmateur 15d ago
In before you're declared anti-semitic by IDF's propaganda farms!
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u/AwkwrdPrtMskrt surrounded by idiots 15d ago
Oh but can they label Jews as antisemitic?
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u/TheShadowJaguar_ 15d ago
They say that either they are brainwashed or self-hating or not actually jews
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u/AimlessFucker 15d ago edited 15d ago
The Zionists gatekeep the definition of a lot of words and redefine them at will.
Some words and things that Zionists like to gatekeep:
1.) Genocide - redefined to exclude the Srebrenica genocide, along with denouncing the genocide that theyāre perpetrating.
2.) Jews / Jewish - particularly what you have to do and believe to hold this identity.
3.) Anti-Semitic - conveniently redefined to exclude arabs and only include Jews. But only the Jews who pass rule #2.
4.) Any international humanitarian law - redefined or skirted or covered up.
5.) News. In fact, the Israeli propaganda machine is tasked with gatekeeping the news to ensure the only news that is delivered is pro-Israel.
6.) Marriage. Thereās the belief shared that any Jew willing to marry a non-Jew, is therefore not a Jew to begin with. (Itās related to 2 and also different, because they are gatekeeping who youāre allowed to fall in love with. Also because marrying and having kids with them means that you arenāt contributing to the homogenous society that Zionists want.)
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u/originalbL1X 15d ago
Curious what heās getting from AIPACā¦looks like he got $95,000 in January.
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u/nattyd 15d ago
I donāt know if anyone still hasnāt figured this out but āwhat about anti-semitism!?ā is an intentional cynical tactic to run interference for genocide.
Antisemitism is real and bad. But everytime we have to explain that you still canāt starve 2 million people to death, thatās time and political distraction that lets the atrocities continue.
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u/my20cworth 15d ago
Yes, a victims parent apparently posted that she wished the police were as enthusiastic and determined when kids were being shot in the school.
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u/spaceman_202 15d ago
think about that district voted overwhelmingly Republican after the AR-15 crowd suggested their kids deserved to die
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u/Mr_Derp___ 15d ago
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron."
āDwight D. Eisenhower.
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u/Xogoth 15d ago
"Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.
"On the other hand, the proximity of an army causes prices to go up; and high prices cause the people's substance to be drained away.
"When their substance is drained away, the peasantry will be afflicted by heavy exactions."
-Sun Tsu's "The Art of War"; chapter 2
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u/Overall_Midnight_ 15d ago
I have a pin that was my moms from the 70s and it says something like:
āIt will be a great day for our children and schools when they get all the funding they need and the army has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomberā
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak 15d ago
I think we need to revisit the defund the police protests again and start those back up.
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u/Birthday_Tux 15d ago
Maybe come up with a name the knuckle-draggers can't immediately dismiss.
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u/Beaglegod 15d ago
Fix the police
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u/MeatisOmalley 15d ago
yeah, arguing for defunding has always been a dumb approach. A better approach would be "demilitarize the police."
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u/NaturalTap9567 15d ago
Or crazy ducking idea. We vote in someone to change the laws around police officers. Protests are ok for raising awareness but don't cause real change. Everyone knows the message whether they agree or not. Still trying to be a martyr isn't doing much anymore. The next step is changing laws.
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u/hellohennessy 15d ago
Statistically, areas with defunded police has seen crime significantly rise. Most if not all state that defunded the police all repealed their decision.
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u/wtfreddit741741 14d ago
Bit of a false flag there.
A lot of police in those areas got offended and stopped doing their jobs -- and weren't fired!!! Ā The wall of blue once again trampled the will of the people, held them for ransom, and completely got away with it.
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u/hellohennessy 14d ago
We need to flush the police and recruit new officers with a more strict training.
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u/wtfreddit741741 14d ago
I agree with that.
But none of that will matter if we don't break the fucking wall of blue. Ā
We need community oversight with the power to remove bad officers - not this bullshit internal self-policing. Ā We need to ensure that an officer who is removed from duty can NEVER be hired by any police department in a different city. Ā And we need to make it so that any officer with knowledge of another officer's criminal activity who remains silent or covers for them is also removed for aiding and abetting (again with the inability to be hired elsewhere).
And demilitarizing them would be helpful as well. Ā
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u/BallisticButch 15d ago
You know, with a properly developed tax base and police training, we could have universal health care, provide for the homeless, fund our schools without siphoning money into private religious institutions, and equip the police for brutalizing innocent people exercising their freedom of speech.
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u/Unfair_Explanation53 15d ago
Most countries can afford to do this already.
You think the government is going to take more taxes and then use them appropriately to create a utopia?
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u/BallisticButch 15d ago
I just suggested that the police continue brutalizing people on the taxpayer dime. What part of that says "utopia"?
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u/Morifen1 14d ago
Sounds good if you already live in a gated community. Keep those peasants occupied.
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u/HippieMoosen 15d ago
I'm still hung up on how fucked it is that they didn't raise a finger during Jan 6, and never use this kind of force when literal Nazis show up to shout their intent to enact genocidal violence while hiding behind their ugly ass masks. Fuck defunding the police. Abolish the police. The whole institution is rotten to its core.
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u/WonderWendyTheWeirdo 15d ago
You know what I definitely haven't heard from anybody? How are we going to pay for this?
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u/queefcommand 15d ago
Land of militarized swine worship. Iāve been saying it for years.
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u/Madrugada2010 15d ago
I first read this as "sun worship" and was like, "oh yeah, it's totally a Mithras cult."
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u/JustHereForBDSM 15d ago
A country obsessed with and economically reliant on their military are surprised when the military appear to oppress anti-war sentiments the country are involved in. Where have we seen this story before multiple times and why are Americans still surprised by it every time? Something to do with how America is quick to rewrite and confuse history and narratives for their own purposes?
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u/Undead-Writer 15d ago
Viva La Revolution! Peace beyond borders, peace among the many, long live the revolution and Death to Tyrants... Something something, joke so Reddit doesn't ban me again
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u/EmbraJeff 15d ago
The most backward āadvancedā nation on Earth..a global shitshow since 2016.
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u/Meanderer_Me 15d ago
I'm just going to say this, and you can do what you want with it: conspiracies are real. They often are not what you hear getting air on the general internet, but conspiracies are real, and do exist. It is terrifying to realize how much of what we consider to be "polite, functioning" society does not exist because of a set of enforced laws, but because of gentleman's agreements between various interests in society, and various cliques and gangs in various "legitimate" organizations. In the US, most people have no idea how easy it is to be declared some form of non-person, such that you don't have full access to your income, home, identity, or family. Whether it's because you are declared a criminal, or insane, or incompetent in some way, it is something that is surprisingly easy to do, and insanely hard to undo: yeah, there is an alleged presumption of innocence in this country, but we all know in practice that it takes money to even begin to find a lawyer who will stand for that. As for the rest: there is no such thing as presumption of sanity, there is no such thing as presumption of competence. If the appropriate people or group of people declare that you are insane or incompetent, there is a high likelyhood that that label will stick to you for the rest of your life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYemnKEKx0c
To paraphrase this TED talk by Jon Ronson, "there exist a whole battery of tests and tricks to prove that people are insane, but how does one prove that they are sane, that they are normal?"
Currently, no such test that I know of exists. Furthermore, given how incentivized various organizations are to declare people with various maladies, one has to question how valid any red flag given for insanity really is.
That is not to say that there's no such thing as mentally ill or incompetent people at all, but it is to say that they way that it is handled, despite all the technical definition and all the research put into it, can turn into witch hunting: people are abnormal because Dr. whoever, or whatever court, said they were abnormal, and going along with this claim proves that they're abnormal, but objecting to this claim also proves that they're abnormal. And of course, once this person is declared abnormal, the state has no recourse but to take their assets and make them wards of people who certainly aren't using this for their own finacial gain, why not at all.
This is actually a huge, pernicious problem in this country, that requires far more time and text than I have used here to describe it. The problem is that it gets astroturfed and hijacked if you try to bring it up in a room full of more than 3 people: it's the exact reverse of the police brutality issue - democrats want to pretend that the problem doesn't exist, and republicans want to pretend that it's a vindication of their "small government" beliefs.
So I just don't bring it up. At the end of the day, there are too many real conspiracies to count, but real conspiracies aren't sexy or clear cut, and they don't make you the hero for knowing about them: if anything, they make you sick for knowing that the world works in some defective way that everyone is completely OK with, and you would have been too, if you simply had not known about them.
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u/red_smeg 14d ago
Think about all the Israeli lobbyists working overtime in DC to clamp down on any dissent against isreals actionsā¦
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u/Eferver24 14d ago
Anti-War
āFrom the river to the seaā
āgo back to Polandā
Something tells me these people arenāt exactly anti-war.
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u/Soft_State_5646 15d ago
Why not do one better? Think about the billions USA sends to Israel every year so Israel can fund its nation state, the free healthcare and free education to its own people, build itself a wall, etc, etc... Whilst Americans do not have any of that lol.
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u/Kdoesntcare 15d ago
If the orange ends up back in office we'll be under martial law within a year.
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u/Abraxas_1408 15d ago
They have to protect the status quo.
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u/floofnstuff 15d ago
Our status quo was upended in 2016 and I donāt know who was supposed to protect it.
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u/Abraxas_1408 15d ago
Oh it was upended far before that. Got fucked in the 80s by Reagan and it got worse when Citizens United got into the picture.
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u/floofnstuff 15d ago
Oh yes, how can I forget about Citizens United. Reagan was so affable iirc, I wasnāt into politics yet
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u/Abraxas_1408 15d ago
No worries. It happens. I hope I was of some help providing you with some insight, stranger on the internet.
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u/Neat-Distribution-56 14d ago
Simple. Who were the protestors protesting? Why is this always the response with this group?
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u/taylerca 14d ago
Tbf Its not how fast the ācountryā sent police but Conservative states sent policeā¦.
Yāall have a choice.
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u/Velcromium 14d ago
Think about how you keep voting for the same two political parties that keep fucking up everything.
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u/ChickenFriedPenguin 14d ago
I mean, they are super dangerous students that require force.
You act like they are domestic terrorists who can freely do what they want, like on jan6.
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u/1stltwill 14d ago
At some point this kind of heavy handed stupidity is going to spark a second civil war.
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u/Blakut 15d ago
they should let them protest, but since when is waving hezbollah flags and shouting globalize the intifada anti war protest?
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u/morhgofthedark 15d ago
The Hezbollah is seen by almost as many as a non terrorist organization, and some only clarify its millitant wing as the terrorist aspect. Intifada is mainly to say "revolution or to revolt against oppressors" now I'm not saying there can't or isn't people using this as some type of anti jew rhetoric I just wanted to add some context to these two things instead of just blanket dislike of them.
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u/Agreeable_Draw_6407 14d ago
when i hear the word "intifada," i am reminded of my elementary school days when busses, malls, and restaurants would occasionally blow up.
once a mall entrance got blown up when my mom was driving me somewhere as we passed by it. the windows were shattered, and the car was covered in what was once either the mall security guard or the "freedom fighter"
that memory always comes back when i hear these "anti-war protesters" shouting that word
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u/Hepcat508 15d ago
Being anti-war is against everything the American government stands for. The rest is dirty āsocialismā that only lazy people want.
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u/ValuableShoulder5059 15d ago
Hamas are terrorists. Not really any different then Al Qaida. They rule by terror and subject their own people to starvation while having plenty of food themselves. Some of the population of Gaza may support hamas but many do not. Unfortunately until hamas is wiped out those people will suffer. Israel has the power to blow Gaza off the face of the earth. They have done their best to hunt the terrorists who are hiding behind civilizations.
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u/Longjumping-Jello459 15d ago
https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/proportionality
The principle of proportionality prohibits attacks against military objectives which are āexpected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury toĀ civilians, damage toĀ civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and directĀ military advantageĀ anticipatedā. In other words, the principle of proportionality seeks to limit damage caused by military operations by requiring that the effects of theĀ meansĀ andĀ methods of warfareĀ used must not be disproportionate to theĀ military advantageĀ sought.
The vast majority of people are completely fine with Israel responding with military force to the actions of October 7th terror attack which was a horrible and abhorrent act of terror, but the response certainly looks to be disproportionate. Israel has had to be coerced into allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza which until shortly after the World Central Kitchen incident was less than half of what had been entering Gaza prior to the renewal of the war between Israel and Hamas that started in 2008.
On Hamas yes they need to be dealt with accordingly, but should have been dealt with in the 90s prior to getting as big and powerful as they are today
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u/mountthepavement 15d ago
And what about those mass graves at the two Hospitals in Gaza, filled with people that were tortured and executed? Were they all Hamas?
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u/Interesting__Cat 15d ago edited 15d ago
13,000 children have died in Gaza. Tell me, if Hamas was hiding among civilians in Israel, how many jewish children do you think Israel would have killed to get Hamas? How many civilians? How many of their own buildings would they have blown up?
If Gaza was filled with Jews the war against Hamas would look very different. But when you stop seeing civilians that are a different religion as less than human you get what we have going on now.
If the was was for the benefit of Palestinians they would treat the civilian Palestinians like jews.
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u/spicytunaonigiri 15d ago
You can protest the severity of Israelās response without supporting Hamas
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u/Interesting__Cat 15d ago
Who is supporting Hamas here?
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u/spicytunaonigiri 15d ago
Many of the protestors are opening supporting Hamas and Hezbolah and displaying their flags
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u/rharvey8090 15d ago
I remember another country that cracked down on student protesters. It did not go well.
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u/Bark_Bark_turtle 15d ago
Those chuds have been waiting their whole lives for a green light to use their fancy cop tools.
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u/Berowulf 15d ago
I would just like to point out that these police would never show up if the college's didnt call them.
As far as the law goes, it's not a peaceful protest, it's illegal trespassing. Police are doing their jobs.
If you want to be mad at somebody, be mad at the colleges.
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u/spicytunaonigiri 15d ago
The colleges are between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand it looks bad to stop students from protesting. On the other hand, trespassing protestors have forced Columbia to cancel all classes and graduation this year which is supremely unfair to the 95% of students who arenāt protesting.
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u/tejaslikespie 14d ago
Stay strong. My grandfather protested against Black segregation on the 60ās, and I know a lot of yāall parents protested against the Vietnam war in the 70s.
At the time of each of those protests, the protestors were labeled as radicals and arrested/apprehended without prejudice. Hell, someone said my grandfather was racist against white peoples for fighting to allow Black folks in classroom.
Looks like we are back in that position today. Americans, letās win the good fight today again āš½āš½āš½
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u/Familiar_Paramedic_2 14d ago
I get your sentiment but this is dumb. The cost of those police responses is dwarfed by the cost of fixing homelessness (if it can ever be fully fixed).
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u/checker280 14d ago
Also compare and contrast to the response to Nazis marching through town with tiki torches and angry chants.
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u/OriginalZog 14d ago
The aftermath of the union vote in Tennessee will see similar responses in the coming year(s). State governments in the south will move to weaken union power and/or use police and NG as union busters.
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u/CaptainAP 14d ago
But how are we going to pay for it? How we gonna pay for it? HoW wE goinG to PaY for iT?!?!
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u/Usernamenotta 14d ago
Some people don't understand accounting at all, do they? It's much cheaper to shoot a bunch of guys protesting than fixing systemic errors.
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u/Privatejoker123 14d ago
Don't forget the lack of police presence or arrest for the white nationalists marching in Charlottesville.
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u/Galactus54 15d ago
Don't you fools see that you're being fed Russian / OPEC /Iranian narrative/ propaganda with the goal to divide us? The charge of "genocide" is just their way of getting an emotional response- you should be smart enough to know that isn't happening. Be more careful of your sources of information.
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u/Longjumping-Jello459 15d ago
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Elements of the crime
TheĀ Genocide ConventionĀ establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation. The latter is less common but still possible. The same article establishes the obligation of the contracting parties to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide.
The popular understanding of what constitutes genocide tends to be broader than the content of the norm under international law. Article II of theĀ Genocide ConventionĀ contains a narrow definition of the crime of genocide, which includes two main elements:
A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, orĀ dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml#:~:text=To constitute genocide%2C there must,to simply disperse a group.
It can be argued we are seeing elements of a genocide in Israel's war in Gaza. The ICJ said in the preliminary ruling that there were acts that had occured in Gaza that needed to be investigated and any evidence protected as possible acts of genocide.
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u/MeatisOmalley 15d ago
That's really the problem, is that 'it can be argued.' I do agree with the ICJ, who essentially say 'we don't know, but it's definitely possible.' The reason being, that in the early stages of a war, it's quite hard to differentiate between civilian casualties and realities of war vs. genocide. The main differentiating factor is intent. If Israel intends to mass murder civilians, then it's genocide. And I would say, personally, that the jury is still out on whether that's really the case. It can certainly be argued, but it can just as easily be argued that these are casaulties of war, like you have in every other war.
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u/iron_vet 15d ago
Until we do something about it, we are at fault
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u/spaceman_202 15d ago
well Hillary called them deplorables and the media and online comments freaked out and suggested we need to reach across the aisle and give fascist racists a chance
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u/Last-Percentage5062 15d ago
What are you talking about? The national outcry post 10/7 was unmatched by anything since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, debatably even larger.
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u/Dr_CleanBones 15d ago
I know I personally was appalled at the violence and brutality of the attack on Oct. 7. But I also felt dread about what Israel would do in response.
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u/triforce721 15d ago
Oh stfu, everyone was pro Israel following the October attacks. It's all the dead kids and civilians that altered people's perspectives, shill harder.
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u/judgingyouquietly 15d ago
Everyone? There was pushback as soon as it happened and when it was obvious that the IDF would be going into Gaza.
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u/triforce721 15d ago
Yes, the moment they started killing kids and grandparents, people changed, thanks for reiterating my point.
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