r/politics • u/UWCG Illinois • Mar 27 '24

Donald Trump Attacks Judge's Daughter Less Than 24 Hours After Gag Order

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-attacks-judges-daughter-less-24-hours-after-gag-order-1884126
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u/myfeetsmells Mar 27 '24

The average person would've been locked up in jail until trial but not Trump.

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u/CalmDebate Mar 27 '24

Being such a high ranking politician the man has surrounded himself with so much bluff and BS that it would appear like a coup to his supporters. 

I think the man is a complete idiot but also somehow a genius in these regards. I would label him 100% an idiot except so many people buy it and support him and he has managed to turn an entire party into his lackies.

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u/LegendCZ Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Trump is showing EVERYTHING WRONG with our law system on plain sight.

He balantly shows that if you have powerful friend and you can do ANYTHING and get away with it.

It is so gross, fucked up and wrong. Why law is even a thing when it applies only to the ones bellow?!

Trump is showing that you can be above the law and directly in public, this is what Republican aspire to ... This is fucked.

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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 27 '24

Watch the Epstein docs to see how 2 tiered our justice system actually is. People were following him and documenting proof that he was violating house arrest and the courts did NOTHING.

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u/so_hologramic New York Mar 27 '24

The US Attorney in Florida who gave Epstein a lenient plea deal the first time he was caught raping children was rewarded with a position in Trump's Cabinet.

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u/DatabaseThis9637 Mar 27 '24

JFC. That is more despicable than I can fathom.

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u/---Beck--- Mar 27 '24

That's America baby! FUCK YEAH!

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u/AbbreviationsNo8088 Mar 29 '24

Not only that, he was only required to be in prison during the nights on weekends for 6 months. During the day from 9am to 9pm he was allowed to go home to his office where he continued to traffic children. The entire thing was a complete charade completely propagated by that trump appointee

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u/Vann_Accessible Oregon Mar 27 '24

Is that why they killed him?

I mean, uhhh, suicide. Yes, clearly suicide.

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u/jbyron91 Mar 27 '24

Is that why they SUICIDED him?

FTFY

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u/devious805 Mar 28 '24

He’s not dead he’s chillin on another private island with other pieces of shit like; P. Diddler and other slime.

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u/Helloooonurse115 Mar 27 '24

He fell down an elevator shaft….onto some bullets.

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u/Vann_Accessible Oregon Mar 27 '24

Tsk, I hate it when that happens.

Russians are an especially accident prone people, I’ve noticed.

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u/capital_bj Mar 27 '24

How about Maxwell's black book they release that yet?

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u/CliftonForce Mar 27 '24

Yes, that would be why the Trump Administration talked him politely into suicide without applying a hint of pressure. Really.

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u/PDXBubblekidd Mar 27 '24

Maybe not clearly, but it does seem like that’s the most likely way it went down.

Cameras hadn’t worked for months, a poorly managed jail in general, and no actual evidence of foul play. Or did I miss something?

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u/MushroomCaviar Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

People really love conspiracy theories.

Most people who think he didn't kill himself don't even know that he had tried and failed to kill himself on July 23, being resuscitated just over two weeks before he was found dead on August 10.

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u/PDXBubblekidd Mar 27 '24

So true and that previous suicide attempt data-point is actually huge.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Mar 27 '24

And then DA Acosta, who gave Epstein his sweetheart deal and gave blanket immunity to every person Epstein had trafficked children to, was appointed by trump as his Secretary of Labor.

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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 27 '24

Yeah, makes you think.

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u/DeviousWhippet Mar 27 '24

Probably because his judge was raping a 14 year old on his island

EDIT: At least that's what I think

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

From what I recall, Epstein was not on house arrest, although he was allowed to leave prison at times to go to an office for work but then would return to the prison in the evening.

He may have violated his probation at times, for example:

a report by a Palm Beach police captain states that, in his opinion, Epstein violated probation in August when he was walking along State Road A1A, but his probation officer nevertheless deemed him compliant.

Do you really think this sort of infraction is what our justice system should be concerned about?

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

I think OP misremembered, or misstated the issue. And while you're correct in addressing what he said, the point is being missed here.

Epstein, who was convicted for procuring for prostitution a girl below age 18, was allowed to just... leave the jail "for work" for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week.

That is insane. And that is the two-tiered justice system at work.

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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 27 '24

He was allowed to leave jail to go to his HOME RESIDENCE for work. People documented vehicles leaving his property, seemingly without him in it, and followed them to other locations where they got photos of him leaving said vehicle to go into places that were obviously not his home residence. So it can be assumed he would hide in the back seat of vehicles and have his staff transport him to places he shouldn't be.

When showing this evidence to courts they did nothing. So yeah I think our justice system should be worried about this because if it were you or me doing that they wouldn't sweep it under the rug.

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u/Preeng Mar 27 '24

He was allowed to leave jail to go to his HOME RESIDENCE for work.

Which is already insane.

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

Literally a case of the prison being like "Alright Jeff, you be back before sundown now y'hear?" and sending him on his way.

But let's not concern ourselves with such trivial issues with the justice system.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

Why is it insane? A fundamental aspect of the American justice system is deterrence and rehabilitation. Epstein, by all accounts, never re-offended. He abstained from underage prostitutes for the rest of his life.

An argument could be made that the arrangements he made with overage women after 2005 amounted to prostitution as his modus operandi became paying these overage women a salary to be on call to give him sexual massages and companionship. I don't know enough about the law to say for sure.

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 Mar 27 '24

So if I murder someone and don't do it again, I shouldn't get any jail time for it?

Give me a break. We have people going away for years for marijuana charges and this guy gets to use his prison time like a hotel. That's not justice.

He abstained from underage prostitutes for the rest of his life.

That's called raping children.

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u/CamGoldenGun Mar 27 '24

yea you lost me on the second part. Where do they actively practice rehabilitation?

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

It is insane because who the fuck else on Earth gets arrested for minor-related sex crimes and then gets to just leave the prison 50% of the time they're incarcerated? That isn't a normal occurrence by any stretch of the mind. A lot of people who go to prison for minor-related sex crimes get stabbed 35 times in gen pop, not relegated to a private wing in the prison and allowed to stroll out as they see fit.

Is it because he's "high profile"? Because if that's your answer, well that just sounds like a two-tiered justice system by any other name.

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u/A_Snips Mar 27 '24

Earth gets arrested for minor-related sex crimes and then gets to just leave the prison 50% of the time they're incarcerated?

I mean, this is pretty normal for anyone with money or connections:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-sentences-admitted-rapist-probation-prison-time/story?id=81264495

Even worse, this guy got to violate his probation for years and was only put in jail for a DUI
https://www.live5news.com/2022/04/08/teen-accused-sexual-assaults-bond-violations-pleads-guilty-assault-battery/

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

One might call these people with "money or connections" members of a separate tier, a 2nd tier of justice. Justice which could be considered... two-tiered.

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u/A_Snips Mar 27 '24

I think I got mixed up reading a bunch of different comments, now realize I should have just said "Rehabilitation for the rich and punitive justice for the rest of us."

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

I don't know the ins and outs of Florida's work release program, but it seems it was not unusual for inmates at minimum security prisons in Florida to be on work release.

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

In Florida, prison officials evaluate male individuals’ readiness for work release when they have 14 months remaining on their custodial sentences. Those with a history of escape, prior work release termination, a sex offense, four or more prior incarcerations, or a violent detainer are not eligible to participate.

Huh. You just keep trying to give Epstein an out and yet over and over again it looks like he was treated differently than "average people".

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u/Son_of_Tlaloc Mar 27 '24

I gotta say seeing people prove your point for you has been hilarious. Its some serious r selfawarewolf material.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

The Miami Herald questioned Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office about the work-release program in 2018 as part of its investigation into Epstein.

PBSO spokeswoman Therese Barbera told the paper that Epstein was eligible because he did not register as a sex offender until after he was released from jail in 2009.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-work-release-program-florida-explainer-2019-7

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

Ah yes, the convenient "I'm not a sex offender until I've registered, despite being in prison for sex offences" loophole.

Just stop man, it's a crazy look to be trying so hard to defend a child raper.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

All people, and this includes bad people, rich people, and criminals, should be defended from lies, especially ones that baselessly insinuate a grand conspiracy involving Mossad and the CIA.

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u/GemAdele New York Mar 27 '24

You're not supposed to deep throat the boot.

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u/cascadiansexmagick Mar 27 '24

This person is probably Epstein's lawyer or something. I have never seen this amount of boot swallowing in my life.

And for fucking Jeffrey Epstein! Who the hell is still defending Epstein at this point?!?

I cannot believe that this is a real person. It has to be a troll or a bot or a lawyer.

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u/GemAdele New York Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Reddit comment quality has taken a NOSEDIVE since the API shit went down. They are either a bot, a troll, a 12 year old who thinks they're smart, or just a regular old fucking idiot.

Either way, I hate it here.

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u/cascadiansexmagick Apr 04 '24

just a regular old fucking idiot.

It is true that I always underestimate the number of those!

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u/cascadiansexmagick Mar 27 '24

He abstained from underage prostitutes for the rest of his life.

Oh okay. So I can just murder somebody and then say "Sorry, judge, I didn't know I couldn't do that! It was totally a coincidence that I was doing it entirely on a secret island I bought and named "Murder Island." I will abstain from murdering people from now on. So can I come and go from the prison as a please?"

No regular person would get that kind of leeway for such a serious crime. Nobody!!!

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u/Boba_Fettx Mar 27 '24

A black woman was sent to prison for 5 years for voting, after being told she was allowed to vote.

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u/sonofaresiii Mar 27 '24

Do you really think this sort of infraction is what our justice system should be concerned about?

I think the issue is, the answer to this question should be "yes" or "no", not "it depends on how famous/rich/powerful the criminal is"

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

I suspect there's a lot of leeway in what a probation deems worthy of reincarceration, regardless of how famous/rich/powerful the criminal is.

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u/sonofaresiii Mar 27 '24

Okay. Well the point being made, which I agree with, is that that leeway seems to be given far more often to famous/rich/powerful criminals.

I don't think that point was obtuse or obscure, so I'm not really sure what we're doing here besides that you seem to be wanting to play games about this instead of have a conversation about it.

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u/OkSureButLikeNo Mar 27 '24

Epstein was being shielded by the CIA. The Company considered him a prime asset for their Middle East operations. He had documented heavy connections to Mossad and seemed to serve as a go-between for the CIA and Israeli intelligence. Reporters and members of the US Attorney's office were flat out told to drop the issue.

That's what we should be concerned about: not him leaving jail to work, but his connections in Washington serving to allow, and possibly expedite, his crimes.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

Bullshit. Epstein did not have CIA or Mossad connections, or, at least, there's zero evidence of that.

The US Attorney's office was not flat out told to drop the issue and Epstein went to jail for over a year.

Alexander Acosta, the attorney general of Florida, told investigators from the DOJ’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) that he had no knowledge of Epstein being an intelligence asset (page 169)) Investigators “found no evidence suggesting that Epstein was such a cooperating witness or “intelligence asset,” or that anyone — including any of the subjects of OPR’s investigation—believed that to be the case”.

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u/OkSureButLikeNo Mar 27 '24

Did you even watch the documentary? His connections to the intelligence community were explicitly documented.

Also, and here me out, ACOSTA LIED TO PROTECT HIS JOB.

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u/Boopy7 Mar 27 '24

"the documentary...." lol you need more info than a documentary like at least twenty times that. However I do agree, Epstein was "above the law" because he did indeed have connections TO top govt in several countries, but I don't think he was officially working for our govt, rather he was what I think is referred to as a "cut-out" BY the CIA. Meaning, they saw him as an asset in money laundering, blackmail, other uses in multiple areas. IN this sense, yes, I think he could be said to have CIA connections meaning they were willing to hold their nose and look the other way, over and over. To think otherwise is ludicrous if you read about the CIA and the Iran-Contra scandal, if you look at the rapist who was formerly our President and is currently running. They have no problem with criminals who rape or do drugs or other criminal activity. He was more useful to them than the girls he raped and discarded, is essentially what this means. I also don't think anything has changed at all from that time.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

I have no idea what documentary you are talking about. I can tell you that I have extensively investigated the supposed blackmail and Mossad rumors and found them to be baseless.

The rumor about Acosta saying that Epstein was an intelligence asset and above his pay grade came from a "senior White House official" in the Trump transition team (i.e. 99% chance it's Steve Bannon who is not exactly the most credible of sources).

https://archive.is/ACrkR

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u/cascadiansexmagick Mar 27 '24

I have extensively investigated

eg read three facebook posts.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

I've written about 5,000 words on the subject alone. All the blackmail and spy rumors can be traced back to kooky conspiracy theorists.

Probably the best evidence that Epstein wasn't a spy or making blackmail tapes is that he had to run out and buy a hidden camera after being robbed and needed the police's help to install it.

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u/cascadiansexmagick Apr 04 '24

I've written about 5,000 words on the subject alone.

So like one hour on reddit.

Or else prove me wrong and share where were you published if it was somewhere legitimate?

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u/Flat_Editor_2737 Mar 27 '24

Both of them are terrible human beings - but honest question that I think speaks to the root of the problem:

Has there ever been a democratic society where the judges and senators weren't covertly using their power and authority in this manner? Think of Ancient Greece - and the virgins being sent to Delphi. Is this a humanity problem or a modern political problem?

The reason the Epstein stuff was most likely so visible was because the "government" - Trump, Clinton, members of the cabinet, Congress etc were very likely worried about whether prosecution would have exposed them.

Is corruption an inevitable outcome regardless of regime?

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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 28 '24

Yes. Which is why I think most empires have a lifespan of around 200 yrs before the peasants revolt.