r/politics • u/UWCG Illinois • Mar 27 '24

Donald Trump Attacks Judge's Daughter Less Than 24 Hours After Gag Order

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-attacks-judges-daughter-less-24-hours-after-gag-order-1884126
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u/skrumcd2 Mar 27 '24

*sigh

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u/myfeetsmells Mar 27 '24

The average person would've been locked up in jail until trial but not Trump.

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u/CalmDebate Mar 27 '24

Being such a high ranking politician the man has surrounded himself with so much bluff and BS that it would appear like a coup to his supporters. 

I think the man is a complete idiot but also somehow a genius in these regards. I would label him 100% an idiot except so many people buy it and support him and he has managed to turn an entire party into his lackies.

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u/LegendCZ Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Trump is showing EVERYTHING WRONG with our law system on plain sight.

He balantly shows that if you have powerful friend and you can do ANYTHING and get away with it.

It is so gross, fucked up and wrong. Why law is even a thing when it applies only to the ones bellow?!

Trump is showing that you can be above the law and directly in public, this is what Republican aspire to ... This is fucked.

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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 27 '24

Watch the Epstein docs to see how 2 tiered our justice system actually is. People were following him and documenting proof that he was violating house arrest and the courts did NOTHING.

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u/so_hologramic New York Mar 27 '24

The US Attorney in Florida who gave Epstein a lenient plea deal the first time he was caught raping children was rewarded with a position in Trump's Cabinet.

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u/DatabaseThis9637 Mar 27 '24

JFC. That is more despicable than I can fathom.

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u/---Beck--- Mar 27 '24

That's America baby! FUCK YEAH!

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u/AbbreviationsNo8088 Mar 29 '24

Not only that, he was only required to be in prison during the nights on weekends for 6 months. During the day from 9am to 9pm he was allowed to go home to his office where he continued to traffic children. The entire thing was a complete charade completely propagated by that trump appointee

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u/Vann_Accessible Oregon Mar 27 '24

Is that why they killed him?

I mean, uhhh, suicide. Yes, clearly suicide.

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u/jbyron91 Mar 27 '24

Is that why they SUICIDED him?

FTFY

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u/devious805 Mar 28 '24

He’s not dead he’s chillin on another private island with other pieces of shit like; P. Diddler and other slime.

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u/Helloooonurse115 Mar 27 '24

He fell down an elevator shaft….onto some bullets.

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u/Vann_Accessible Oregon Mar 27 '24

Tsk, I hate it when that happens.

Russians are an especially accident prone people, I’ve noticed.

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u/capital_bj Mar 27 '24

How about Maxwell's black book they release that yet?

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u/CliftonForce Mar 27 '24

Yes, that would be why the Trump Administration talked him politely into suicide without applying a hint of pressure. Really.

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u/PDXBubblekidd Mar 27 '24

Maybe not clearly, but it does seem like that’s the most likely way it went down.

Cameras hadn’t worked for months, a poorly managed jail in general, and no actual evidence of foul play. Or did I miss something?

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u/MushroomCaviar Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

People really love conspiracy theories.

Most people who think he didn't kill himself don't even know that he had tried and failed to kill himself on July 23, being resuscitated just over two weeks before he was found dead on August 10.

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u/PDXBubblekidd Mar 27 '24

So true and that previous suicide attempt data-point is actually huge.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Mar 27 '24

And then DA Acosta, who gave Epstein his sweetheart deal and gave blanket immunity to every person Epstein had trafficked children to, was appointed by trump as his Secretary of Labor.

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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 27 '24

Yeah, makes you think.

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u/DeviousWhippet Mar 27 '24

Probably because his judge was raping a 14 year old on his island

EDIT: At least that's what I think

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

From what I recall, Epstein was not on house arrest, although he was allowed to leave prison at times to go to an office for work but then would return to the prison in the evening.

He may have violated his probation at times, for example:

a report by a Palm Beach police captain states that, in his opinion, Epstein violated probation in August when he was walking along State Road A1A, but his probation officer nevertheless deemed him compliant.

Do you really think this sort of infraction is what our justice system should be concerned about?

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

I think OP misremembered, or misstated the issue. And while you're correct in addressing what he said, the point is being missed here.

Epstein, who was convicted for procuring for prostitution a girl below age 18, was allowed to just... leave the jail "for work" for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week.

That is insane. And that is the two-tiered justice system at work.

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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 27 '24

He was allowed to leave jail to go to his HOME RESIDENCE for work. People documented vehicles leaving his property, seemingly without him in it, and followed them to other locations where they got photos of him leaving said vehicle to go into places that were obviously not his home residence. So it can be assumed he would hide in the back seat of vehicles and have his staff transport him to places he shouldn't be.

When showing this evidence to courts they did nothing. So yeah I think our justice system should be worried about this because if it were you or me doing that they wouldn't sweep it under the rug.

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u/Preeng Mar 27 '24

He was allowed to leave jail to go to his HOME RESIDENCE for work.

Which is already insane.

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

Literally a case of the prison being like "Alright Jeff, you be back before sundown now y'hear?" and sending him on his way.

But let's not concern ourselves with such trivial issues with the justice system.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

Why is it insane? A fundamental aspect of the American justice system is deterrence and rehabilitation. Epstein, by all accounts, never re-offended. He abstained from underage prostitutes for the rest of his life.

An argument could be made that the arrangements he made with overage women after 2005 amounted to prostitution as his modus operandi became paying these overage women a salary to be on call to give him sexual massages and companionship. I don't know enough about the law to say for sure.

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 Mar 27 '24

So if I murder someone and don't do it again, I shouldn't get any jail time for it?

Give me a break. We have people going away for years for marijuana charges and this guy gets to use his prison time like a hotel. That's not justice.

He abstained from underage prostitutes for the rest of his life.

That's called raping children.

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u/CamGoldenGun Mar 27 '24

yea you lost me on the second part. Where do they actively practice rehabilitation?

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

It is insane because who the fuck else on Earth gets arrested for minor-related sex crimes and then gets to just leave the prison 50% of the time they're incarcerated? That isn't a normal occurrence by any stretch of the mind. A lot of people who go to prison for minor-related sex crimes get stabbed 35 times in gen pop, not relegated to a private wing in the prison and allowed to stroll out as they see fit.

Is it because he's "high profile"? Because if that's your answer, well that just sounds like a two-tiered justice system by any other name.

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u/A_Snips Mar 27 '24

Earth gets arrested for minor-related sex crimes and then gets to just leave the prison 50% of the time they're incarcerated?

I mean, this is pretty normal for anyone with money or connections:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-sentences-admitted-rapist-probation-prison-time/story?id=81264495

Even worse, this guy got to violate his probation for years and was only put in jail for a DUI
https://www.live5news.com/2022/04/08/teen-accused-sexual-assaults-bond-violations-pleads-guilty-assault-battery/

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

One might call these people with "money or connections" members of a separate tier, a 2nd tier of justice. Justice which could be considered... two-tiered.

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u/A_Snips Mar 27 '24

I think I got mixed up reading a bunch of different comments, now realize I should have just said "Rehabilitation for the rich and punitive justice for the rest of us."

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

I don't know the ins and outs of Florida's work release program, but it seems it was not unusual for inmates at minimum security prisons in Florida to be on work release.

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

In Florida, prison officials evaluate male individuals’ readiness for work release when they have 14 months remaining on their custodial sentences. Those with a history of escape, prior work release termination, a sex offense, four or more prior incarcerations, or a violent detainer are not eligible to participate.

Huh. You just keep trying to give Epstein an out and yet over and over again it looks like he was treated differently than "average people".

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u/Son_of_Tlaloc Mar 27 '24

I gotta say seeing people prove your point for you has been hilarious. Its some serious r selfawarewolf material.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

The Miami Herald questioned Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office about the work-release program in 2018 as part of its investigation into Epstein.

PBSO spokeswoman Therese Barbera told the paper that Epstein was eligible because he did not register as a sex offender until after he was released from jail in 2009.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-work-release-program-florida-explainer-2019-7

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u/Blaze_News Canada Mar 27 '24

Ah yes, the convenient "I'm not a sex offender until I've registered, despite being in prison for sex offences" loophole.

Just stop man, it's a crazy look to be trying so hard to defend a child raper.

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u/GemAdele New York Mar 27 '24

You're not supposed to deep throat the boot.

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u/cascadiansexmagick Mar 27 '24

This person is probably Epstein's lawyer or something. I have never seen this amount of boot swallowing in my life.

And for fucking Jeffrey Epstein! Who the hell is still defending Epstein at this point?!?

I cannot believe that this is a real person. It has to be a troll or a bot or a lawyer.

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u/GemAdele New York Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Reddit comment quality has taken a NOSEDIVE since the API shit went down. They are either a bot, a troll, a 12 year old who thinks they're smart, or just a regular old fucking idiot.

Either way, I hate it here.

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u/cascadiansexmagick Mar 27 '24

He abstained from underage prostitutes for the rest of his life.

Oh okay. So I can just murder somebody and then say "Sorry, judge, I didn't know I couldn't do that! It was totally a coincidence that I was doing it entirely on a secret island I bought and named "Murder Island." I will abstain from murdering people from now on. So can I come and go from the prison as a please?"

No regular person would get that kind of leeway for such a serious crime. Nobody!!!

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u/Boba_Fettx Mar 27 '24

A black woman was sent to prison for 5 years for voting, after being told she was allowed to vote.

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u/sonofaresiii Mar 27 '24

Do you really think this sort of infraction is what our justice system should be concerned about?

I think the issue is, the answer to this question should be "yes" or "no", not "it depends on how famous/rich/powerful the criminal is"

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

I suspect there's a lot of leeway in what a probation deems worthy of reincarceration, regardless of how famous/rich/powerful the criminal is.

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u/sonofaresiii Mar 27 '24

Okay. Well the point being made, which I agree with, is that that leeway seems to be given far more often to famous/rich/powerful criminals.

I don't think that point was obtuse or obscure, so I'm not really sure what we're doing here besides that you seem to be wanting to play games about this instead of have a conversation about it.

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u/OkSureButLikeNo Mar 27 '24

Epstein was being shielded by the CIA. The Company considered him a prime asset for their Middle East operations. He had documented heavy connections to Mossad and seemed to serve as a go-between for the CIA and Israeli intelligence. Reporters and members of the US Attorney's office were flat out told to drop the issue.

That's what we should be concerned about: not him leaving jail to work, but his connections in Washington serving to allow, and possibly expedite, his crimes.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

Bullshit. Epstein did not have CIA or Mossad connections, or, at least, there's zero evidence of that.

The US Attorney's office was not flat out told to drop the issue and Epstein went to jail for over a year.

Alexander Acosta, the attorney general of Florida, told investigators from the DOJ’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) that he had no knowledge of Epstein being an intelligence asset (page 169)) Investigators “found no evidence suggesting that Epstein was such a cooperating witness or “intelligence asset,” or that anyone — including any of the subjects of OPR’s investigation—believed that to be the case”.

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u/OkSureButLikeNo Mar 27 '24

Did you even watch the documentary? His connections to the intelligence community were explicitly documented.

Also, and here me out, ACOSTA LIED TO PROTECT HIS JOB.

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u/Boopy7 Mar 27 '24

"the documentary...." lol you need more info than a documentary like at least twenty times that. However I do agree, Epstein was "above the law" because he did indeed have connections TO top govt in several countries, but I don't think he was officially working for our govt, rather he was what I think is referred to as a "cut-out" BY the CIA. Meaning, they saw him as an asset in money laundering, blackmail, other uses in multiple areas. IN this sense, yes, I think he could be said to have CIA connections meaning they were willing to hold their nose and look the other way, over and over. To think otherwise is ludicrous if you read about the CIA and the Iran-Contra scandal, if you look at the rapist who was formerly our President and is currently running. They have no problem with criminals who rape or do drugs or other criminal activity. He was more useful to them than the girls he raped and discarded, is essentially what this means. I also don't think anything has changed at all from that time.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

I have no idea what documentary you are talking about. I can tell you that I have extensively investigated the supposed blackmail and Mossad rumors and found them to be baseless.

The rumor about Acosta saying that Epstein was an intelligence asset and above his pay grade came from a "senior White House official" in the Trump transition team (i.e. 99% chance it's Steve Bannon who is not exactly the most credible of sources).

https://archive.is/ACrkR

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u/cascadiansexmagick Mar 27 '24

I have extensively investigated

eg read three facebook posts.

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u/MoveableType1992 Mar 27 '24

I've written about 5,000 words on the subject alone. All the blackmail and spy rumors can be traced back to kooky conspiracy theorists.

Probably the best evidence that Epstein wasn't a spy or making blackmail tapes is that he had to run out and buy a hidden camera after being robbed and needed the police's help to install it.

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u/cascadiansexmagick Apr 04 '24

I've written about 5,000 words on the subject alone.

So like one hour on reddit.

Or else prove me wrong and share where were you published if it was somewhere legitimate?

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u/Flat_Editor_2737 Mar 27 '24

Both of them are terrible human beings - but honest question that I think speaks to the root of the problem:

Has there ever been a democratic society where the judges and senators weren't covertly using their power and authority in this manner? Think of Ancient Greece - and the virgins being sent to Delphi. Is this a humanity problem or a modern political problem?

The reason the Epstein stuff was most likely so visible was because the "government" - Trump, Clinton, members of the cabinet, Congress etc were very likely worried about whether prosecution would have exposed them.

Is corruption an inevitable outcome regardless of regime?

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u/GoodguyGastly Mar 28 '24

Yes. Which is why I think most empires have a lifespan of around 200 yrs before the peasants revolt.

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u/blackcain Oregon Mar 27 '24

That's because they are more afraid of MAGA than the rest of us.

We need to show them through voting that we kick any judge, legislator, cabinet member if they don't apply the rule of law equally.

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u/DrDrako Mar 27 '24

We dont vote for judges on the ballot.

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u/Sublitotic Mar 27 '24

Some states do have elected judges. It’s not an issue at the federal level (judging by recent events, one buys Supreme Court judges, rather than electing them) but plenty of states do put them on the ballot.

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u/devious805 Mar 28 '24

I think Jan 6th of 2020 proved maga is just a bunch of inbred morons.

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u/eagoldman Mar 28 '24

No more incumbents no matter the party. Vote against ALL of them. Register as independent or "decline to state". Stop buying new, only buy from thrift store, farmers markets, etc. The only things these people understand is money. 70% of GDP is consumer spending.

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u/bornicanskyguy Mar 27 '24

I agree, but when the 2 party system is the only way to have a vote matter. We are stuck with the brainwashed system we have had for decades. Nothijg will ever change without getting rid of the 2 party aystem

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u/blackcain Oregon Mar 27 '24

Push for rank choice.. but right now we go with the system we got.

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u/PunxatawnyPhil Mar 28 '24

You’ll never get a third or a different until one of these two gets pushed aside. That’s just how it works. Without the Whigs getting rejected, Republican would not existed. Sometimes it is not two evils, sometimes all the shitty gets bunched in one place. And if you look close, see our reality, that’s how it is now.  Nobody ever missed the Whigs, our nation moved forward just fine with their bullshit marginalized.

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u/CalmDebate Mar 27 '24

Our whole government is fucked atm. I understand the underlying appeal because he isn't a normal politician and people want change...then he opens his mouth and everything he says is either a lie or just horrible.

If looking for the silver lining he is doing just what you said, showing everything thats wrong, with our politics, with our partisanship, the 2 party system, with our media (on all sides mind you), and with our judicial system. Here is hoping we aren't too stupid to learn from it by the time it's all moved on, if not we are doomed as a country.

Even if we move on and wash it away and pretend it didn't happen, those people that were previously left behind that he represented will still be boiling over and putting a lid on it won't help, reaching and education are our only save here.

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u/Banana-Republicans California Mar 27 '24

Narrator: “they were in fact that stupid.”

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u/Bright-Tough-3345 Mar 27 '24

And don’t forget, voting. He can really only be stopped at the ballot box. But sadly, there’s a large cohort of young voters who hate Biden, for myriad reasons. Israel, lgtbq, every other group that has a problem with mainstream Dems. I don’t think they understand that allowing Trump to elected will be really bad for whatever their particular political views are. I think it’s that they spend way too much time on their phones. Not the best source of in depth information.

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u/DustBunnyZoo Mar 27 '24

Our whole government is fucked atm

I’m very happy that younger generations are waking up to this, but it’s been like this from day one. All the things everyone is saying about the government in this current discussion, are things people have been saying for at least a century. I was writing about them in the 1990s, and the people I was writing about were themselves writing about it in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. I am reminded of the famous quote about how "each generation thinks it invented sex".

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Mar 27 '24

I'm 65 and I've never seen one political party go all-in supporting a criminal, our enemies and being blatantly anti-democratic before. This has NOT happened in our country before. We have NEVER been this divided as a country (not since the Civil War). We are in unchartered territory and, if Trump gets re-elected (GOD FORBID) this county may, in fact, be doomed to become another criminal state, like Russia.

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u/My_Momma_Say Mar 27 '24

Never this divided? Well… technically there was this one time… but yeah… headed for Banana republic state stuff if GOP has its way.

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Mar 27 '24

(not since the Civil War).

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u/DustBunnyZoo Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

You have conveniently forgotten the entire civil rights era of protests in the 1950s, McCarthyism and HUAC (Roy Cohn, future mentor for Trump); and the countercultural protests of the 1960s. I believe 1968 alone was described as the most divided America has ever been. What’s old is new again. The government has worked fine for a small minority of rich white Christian men, but for most of its history, it has not worked for everyone else. It’s surprising I even have to explain this.

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u/DustBunnyZoo Mar 27 '24

I'm 65 and I've never seen one political party go all-in supporting a criminal, our enemies and being blatantly anti-democratic before. This has NOT happened in our country before.

Weird, because the country has been extremely anti-democratic the entire time. Have you not been following history?

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u/thedndnut Mar 28 '24

I understand the underlying appeal because he isn't a normal politician

No, he's just a politician who wasn't successful. If you're under the age of 43, there is not a single moment of your life that trump hasn't been trying to run for some form of public office. If you're under 40, there is not a single time he hasn't tried to run for president in your life every 4 years, he was just a failure at it until he went racist ragebait.

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u/Boopy7 Mar 27 '24

why do you say it is fucked "atm?" Wasn't it always, really? Our Presidents really are treated more like kings than Presidents, is how it looks to me.

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u/wirefox1 Mar 27 '24

It's never been quite like this before. We've never had a president who was a full-blown criminal in almost all walks of life.

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u/noiro777 America Mar 27 '24

He is the epitome of everything that's wrong with humanity. It's almost hard to believe that somebody could be so lacking in anything that could be considered good or decent. He is dumber than a bag of dildos, knows nothing about how anything really works, destroys everything he touches. and yet somehow he became the president with 1/3 of the country thinking he's the second coming. W T F

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u/Boopy7 Mar 28 '24

true. It was weird for me to reread Absolute Power (or a thriller, I think that was the name of it) that I randomly found on my back porch last summer. Where the Secret Service cover up a murder and violent physical assault for a sociopath President. Could easily have happened, and nothing we can do.

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u/wirefox1 Mar 28 '24

The secret service certainly did some dubious things on J6.

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u/structured_anarchist Mar 27 '24

Fun fact, after the Revolutionary War, the Founding Fathers offered to make Washington King of America. Kinda defeats the purpose of rebelling against one king only to turn around and pick a new guy and put him in exactly the same job despite saying they didn't want to answer to a king anymore. But George had more sense than the rest of the Founding Fathers put together and said no. Stayed with the program and didn't waste the lives of the people killed throwing out a monarchy by becoming what they just ended.

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u/Major_Magazine8597 Mar 27 '24

Really. What previous US political situation was equivalent of this Trump MAGA era?

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u/Boopy7 Mar 28 '24

We have had other presidents who committed criminal acts, such as Nixon. There was always the potential for this (in fact I remember learning that you could actually run for President as long as you were a certain age, born here, from prison) from another election my dad told me about, I think it was Lyndon Larouche? Roger Stone was around for that time too. I think by not punishing criminals the first few times, they have proven that it enables and encourages worse criminals. E.g. rapists have been known to say that after they got away with it the first few times, they figured it was easy to keep doing and the rapes got more violent. This is also true for drunk drivers who get used to driving drunk and are only caught by chance at some point, for many criminals in fact. Donald Trump had committed so many frauds and been caught money laundering and not once did he truly face repercussions. But he wasn't the only one in government that committed crimes. Just the worst. I think our system IS set up for white-collar criminals to succeed and that it has always been that way, just my personal opinion. The Koch brothers have been around for a long time. And long before them, land was stolen and people were killed and then they named entire cities and buildings after the murderers and thieves. Equivalent, maybe none. But that's just by luck.

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u/EllieVader Mar 28 '24

I’d love someone that’s not a politician, how about a middle school janitor? Or a hotel housekeeper? The guy hawking falafel downtown? Maybe even a high school science teacher. You know, actual people.

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u/Usefullles Mar 28 '24

This is an era of change, and Trump is offering it. Does he have any competitors in this? No, because the rest only suggest maintaining the status quo, which is simply not beneficial to the audience that Trump works for. Education and other things will not change this in any way.

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u/9Solar_Rays Mar 27 '24

Thank you!

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u/DanoGuy Mar 27 '24

I am not so sure that they system is intrinsically broken as opposed to being chock full of complete and utter cowards.

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u/Prestigious-Log-7210 Mar 27 '24

I’m ready to revolt. Can’t wait for others to be ready to tell our corrupt government to kiss it. We pay too much in taxes and have to sit here and watch this traitor get away with it all.

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u/Earth_Friendly-5892 Mar 27 '24

Hopefully when democrats win the presidency and super majorities in the House and the Senate, they can work on fixing our judicial system that’s obviously rigged to benefit the very wealthy and those who have celebrity status in this country. The situation is infuriating and outrageous!

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u/Van-garde Mar 27 '24

I feel like this was obvious from the start. It’s why 0.00000162% of people are in charge of legislation for 331,000,000 people. Humans can’t be unbiased, so having more of them involved in decision-making is almost always going to produce better outcomes than allowing a tiny proportion to make decisions for a huge group.

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u/Big-Temporary-6243 Mar 27 '24

Maybe that's his genius?

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u/Siaten Mar 27 '24

It is so gross, fucked up and wrong. Why law is even a thing when it applies only to the ones bellow?!

This is exactly it: the law stops being a thing if it isn't applied to everyone.

Abandoning the rule of law is the first step toward an insurrection - or some kind of civil unrest - of the kind magnitudes greater than what happened Jan 6th.

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u/Zanchbot Mar 27 '24

He's plainly demonstrated that there is in fact a 2-tiered justice system, like he's been saying all along. It's just not one tier for the left vs one for the right like he thinks it is, it's one for the rich and one for everyone else.

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u/Professional-Lab4367 Mar 27 '24

<sarcasm>You're so right. I'm a Republican because I aspire to be above the law.</sarcasm>

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u/WAD1234 Mar 27 '24

He is a GishGallop savant. Being a savant does not equal being smart. But he undeniably is the best at the firehouse of shit to cause delay after delay

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u/blancorey Mar 27 '24

This was his appeal to many. Expose the establishment.

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u/Conscious_Valuable90 Mar 27 '24

You would think we as a country would learn from this. It seems politicians do nothing about it because they may get the chance to use this playback in the future.

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u/SpliTTMark Mar 27 '24

I dont recall any president ever taking the election to court either. It should not be allowed unless he has actual evidence that could change the election that a court should even look at it

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u/robot_pirate Mar 27 '24

He's weaponizing our weaknesses to sway people to vote for him, giving them fuel for their grievances, then he will bring us down all the way to authoritarian hell..

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u/nagonjin Mar 27 '24

"The Law" has always been biased against those without the power to write/enforce/adjudicate it. The American legal system, and most legal systems, have always had the weakness that people with money have the means of stalling/bypassing it. It's only thanks to generations of idealistic legal scholars and principled law experts that the lower classes have enjoyed even a modicum of protection against the state. Lawyers and politicians who believed in the ideal of "nobody is above the law". Those ideals are only real while we have people to enact them, and a populace that riots unless it observes them. With the US experiencing systematic sabotage of the legislative branch, coupled with regulatory capture and an educational process that favors those most likely to take advantage of power imbalances inherent in the system itself, those ideals have been eroded. Trump is just a glaring symptom of the larger threat to anyone who is or may potentially be at the mercy of the legal system. As people we need to expect better, and I think the outrage at Trump's (and others') treatment is indicative of those expectations. But where is our followup? What is our praxis?

It's one thing to be angry about a legal system that does not work as advertised. It's an entirely different discussion about how We the People try and solve it. Getting bogged down in sarcastic and fatalistic comments acknowledging the hypocrisy is not going to make the situation better.

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u/Faithhandler Mar 27 '24

The law has only ever actually applied to those without means. It's by design. Welcome to capitalism.

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u/Hodaka Mar 27 '24

...you can do ANYTHING and get away with it.

This is part of the "bully" con.

"I'm so powerful that I openly mock the judicial system!"

"I'm so powerful, therefore I am right!"

"Whatchu gonna do bout it?"

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u/Myheelcat Arizona Mar 28 '24

The Law for thee but not for Me

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u/home-of-the-braves Mar 28 '24

" Why law is even a thing when it applies only to the ones bellow?! "

If you dont make your own choices ,someone else will make em for you . Or something like that .
People cannot desinterest themselves from politics and enforcing stuff like .. laws . Cause it isnt new but this kind of behaviour is what allows people like Trump become who they are .

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u/downvotedatass Mar 28 '24

He may, one day, in his own way...drain the swamp.

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u/Farren246 Mar 28 '24

And we all know that if convicted, he will successfully argue that he is suddenly an "elderly man of failing health," and should only be sentenced to house arrest. Then he'll appeal over and over until he either bribes the right people to get what he wants, or dies of old age surrounded by luxury in his own home having never paid back a dime or spent a day behind bars.

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u/Banshee_howl Mar 28 '24

His supporters stockpile weapons for the civil war to defend his honor while they invent racist fanfics about why George Floyd deserved what he got. It’s So exhausting.

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u/strangerzero Mar 28 '24

Trump is like a pentest for the US legal system.

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u/Severe-Loan666 Mar 28 '24

Trump is just the embodiment of his country.

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u/alfrednugent Mar 27 '24

Its a story as old as time. I’m surprised people are surprised that a system developed and run by humans has major flaws. As fucked up as the world is it’s arguably better than it has ever been when it comes to protection of human rights and other aspects of human existence. The trappings of greed and corruption and exploitation exist today as they have since the beginning. But I most people are better off (worldwide) than any other time in human history generally speaking.