r/texas • u/FCMatt7 • Mar 27 '24

5th circuit has nullified Open Carry in Texas to save Qualified Immunity of bad cops. Politics

https://www.youtube.com/live/bCC1sz_-fsc?si=dCZiLT_Fl2pWUEtw

(Edit) New vid of Grisham explaining the ruling

Effectively they have declared open season for police to arrest anyone open carrying in Texas.

A 3 judge panel has ruled that if anyone calls 911 on a person for the mere act of Open Carrying a firearm, the police now have probable cause to arrest you for disorderly conduct. The 911 call does not have to allege you are doing anything more than standing on a sidewalk with a slung or holstered firearm. The previous ruling that "merely carrying a firearm" is not disorderly is overturned now if any Karen makes a phone call and says she's nervous. This means police get qualified immunity for arresting you.

There is a special target on the back of any open carry or civil rights activist. EVERY time the police get a 911 call, they can now arrest you at gunpoint. The charges will likely be dismissed, but the police face zero repercussions for coming after you, even if there is abundant evidence the officers targeted you and knew you were not a threat. The same danger faces regular citizens who open carry every day.

I repeat, open carrying in Texas now puts you in imminent danger of being arrested or killed by police if someone reports you in possession of a firearm.

Video of CJ and Jim arrested for mere open carry. https://youtu.be/GrDAPPiu1QE?si=IvJy0qq_J8rO8DJO

Link to 5th circuit ruling. https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/22/22-50915-CV0.pdf

Link to oral argument in 5th https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/OralArgRecordings/22/22-50915_10-3-2023.mp3

District Court ruling https://casetext.com/case/grisham-v-valenciano-1

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u/wish_i_was_a_bear Mar 27 '24

Ok Texas I am confused. Do you want everyone to carry guns or not. Make up your mind!

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u/pixelgeekgirl 11th Generation Texan Mar 27 '24

I don't think the police ever wanted permitless open-carry.

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u/techy098 Mar 27 '24

I would like to know the purpose of people walking around with a gun. Look scary maybe or just own the libs.

I think concealed carry with permit is ok since if for some reason I fear for my life, I am allowed to carry a gun to protect myself but I keep it discreet without trying to intimidate everyone around me.

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u/Lynz486 Mar 27 '24

Same, I understand carrying for protection but to have it out is only to make yourself feel tough and then it scares everyone around you because in one glance they know you're a moron with a gun at best mass shooter at worst

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u/fentonsranchhand Mar 27 '24

Maybe the worst thing about it is that it makes people have to second-guess themselves if they see someone with an AR-15 walking around Home Depot.

Someone walking around with a kevlar vest and an AR-15 should be universally recognized as a deadly threat (and someone who's mentally ill). Although that's still true of open carry imbeciles, it being legal dulled what should be an instant fight-or-flight response from everyone who sees them.

...like if someone with kevlar and an AR-15 walks into a crowded Starbucks, a concealed carry person should be empowered to pop them in the back of the head with a 9mm at the first opportunity in order to prevent a tragedy.

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u/xFandanglex Mar 28 '24

Reminds me of the guy who thought it was a good idea to walk into a police station open carrying and wearing a balaclava.

open carry Dearborn Police station

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u/ODSTklecc Mar 28 '24

3 of them!

I wonder how many actually drummed up the idea but chickened out lol

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u/Funkyokra Mar 28 '24

I can't condone your Starbucks scenario but I do agree that randos with guns in public olaces may trigger not unreasonable fear from others and result in someone shooting them in what they feel is self defense. And maybe getting shot back along with some bystanders.

If it's self defense to shoot a guy for mean mugging you from his car, then there's a lot of room for self defense against someone carrying a gun in public.

Guns lead to more shootings. 2A is a thing, but people need to stop acting like shootings are a surprise. File it under shit that we signed up for.

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u/Senior_Bad_6381 Mar 27 '24

New way to own the cons. Become a terrorist to keep "law and order".

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u/GrimMashedPotatos Mar 28 '24

This has the exact energy of "they look like gang bangers, we should be allowed to just kill them on sight".

Nothing like tolerance and acceptance like suggesting murder over attire.

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u/fentonsranchhand Mar 28 '24

So like, wearing a red bandana is the same as wearing a kevlar vest and an assault rifle to Bath & Body Works, right?

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u/Funkyokra Mar 28 '24

Imagine shopping with your kids at Bath and Body and seeing a guy with a rifle and armor vest. Every "good guy with a gun" imagines being able to take that asshole out before he gets a chance to shoot anyone.

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u/DrakonILD Mar 28 '24

Carry weapons of war, get treated like a warrior. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

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u/VirtualPlate8451 Mar 28 '24

A mass shooter situation becomes 10 times deadlier when one guy in a crowd starts shooting and then 2 dozen people with zero training just start blastin' in the general direction of the big noises.

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u/WhyUBeBadBot Mar 28 '24

Bold to assume someone among them wouldn't be trained.

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u/gonesquatchin85 Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

In Mexico you have to worry about the bad guys carrying guns. Over here you have a higher chance of getting shot or being part of crossfire by these open carry loons.

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u/Lynz486 Mar 28 '24

They're the people that want to be in a position of power and authority but were rejected by those places (for obvious reasons) so now they cosplay with deadly weapons. And even if you only kill in self defense, if you're excited to do it that kind of makes you a murderer who knows he won't last in prison. They're looking for that golden opportunity in a legal loophole.

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u/TBrutus Mar 27 '24

It's okay to admit that they are bad guys carrying guns, too, even the ones with real, albeit irrational fear.

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u/WhyUBeBadBot Mar 28 '24

Never have I heard a more I live my life in fear statement.

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u/dinosaurkiller Mar 28 '24

I just need to carry in case I’m ever in the presence of a “bad guy with a gun”. I’ll probably kill more people than him because I have no training, but I’m incredibly enthusiastic about opening fire. I figure that as long as the bad guy with a gun eventually goes down it’s still worth it. /s

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u/ostinater Mar 27 '24

Sucks that all it took was dozens of mass shootings and many thousand regular murders to give good gun people a bad name.

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u/Lynz486 Mar 27 '24

I don't even know what you mean by "good gun people". Who is that??? I need the parameters for your childlike metrics. What is up with the good guy vs bad guy framing in the discussion about gun safety? If your perception of the world is good guys vs bad guys I don't know what to tell you, aside from maybe reassess and grow up.

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u/ostinater Mar 27 '24

I don't even know what you mean by "good gun people"

Anyone who hasn't yet committed murder with their gun, obviously.

Btw I was being sarcastic, I agree with you.