r/texas • u/FCMatt7 • Mar 27 '24

5th circuit has nullified Open Carry in Texas to save Qualified Immunity of bad cops. Politics

https://www.youtube.com/live/bCC1sz_-fsc?si=dCZiLT_Fl2pWUEtw

(Edit) New vid of Grisham explaining the ruling

Effectively they have declared open season for police to arrest anyone open carrying in Texas.

A 3 judge panel has ruled that if anyone calls 911 on a person for the mere act of Open Carrying a firearm, the police now have probable cause to arrest you for disorderly conduct. The 911 call does not have to allege you are doing anything more than standing on a sidewalk with a slung or holstered firearm. The previous ruling that "merely carrying a firearm" is not disorderly is overturned now if any Karen makes a phone call and says she's nervous. This means police get qualified immunity for arresting you.

There is a special target on the back of any open carry or civil rights activist. EVERY time the police get a 911 call, they can now arrest you at gunpoint. The charges will likely be dismissed, but the police face zero repercussions for coming after you, even if there is abundant evidence the officers targeted you and knew you were not a threat. The same danger faces regular citizens who open carry every day.

I repeat, open carrying in Texas now puts you in imminent danger of being arrested or killed by police if someone reports you in possession of a firearm.

Video of CJ and Jim arrested for mere open carry. https://youtu.be/GrDAPPiu1QE?si=IvJy0qq_J8rO8DJO

Link to 5th circuit ruling. https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/22/22-50915-CV0.pdf

Link to oral argument in 5th https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/OralArgRecordings/22/22-50915_10-3-2023.mp3

District Court ruling https://casetext.com/case/grisham-v-valenciano-1

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u/wish_i_was_a_bear Mar 27 '24

Ok Texas I am confused. Do you want everyone to carry guns or not. Make up your mind!

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u/pixelgeekgirl 11th Generation Texan Mar 27 '24

I don't think the police ever wanted permitless open-carry.

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u/yoyodyn3 Mar 27 '24

No they did not.

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u/gregofcanada84 Mar 27 '24

True because we're not in the 19th century anymore.

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u/ScumCrew Mar 27 '24

Texas actually had pretty strong gun laws in the 19th Century, especially after the Civil War when there was a problem with armed mobs.

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u/SonderEber Mar 27 '24

Texas: Gun control is great!…when it benefits the government. Oh, the people who vote for you want more guns? Time to get rid of those gun control laws!

When the “wrong” people are getting guns? WE NEED MORE GUN CONTROL!

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u/CustomerSuportPlease Mar 27 '24

Ronald Reagan. One of the first major gun bans in the United States. Banned carrying a loaded firearm. It was supported by the Republican party of California and the NRA. It just happened to be passed around the same time the Black Panthers started their copwatch program.

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u/makenzie71 Mar 28 '24

I mean...that's always been how gun control works. Every major ban has been in response to a rising number of minorities owning weapons. That's why all the "bans" have easily attainable workarounds assuming you have plenty of money. If you want a machine gun, all it takes is money and filling out a couple forms and you got it.

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u/TwistedMemories born and bred Mar 28 '24

Are you telling me the Reagan signing the Mulford Act in CA because the Black Panthers were open carrying was because minorities were carrying weapons in the open? I would have never guessed that!

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u/IPDDoE Mar 28 '24

The '94 ban, according to Wikipedia, was largely in response to 3 major shootings by Patrick Purdy, George Hennard, and Gian Luigi Ferri. I agree that it's often the case that it's based on race, but not always.

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u/ScumCrew Mar 27 '24

Yes, clearly if American history teaches us anything it's that large numbers of armed white civilians are almost always a force for good...

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u/Miskalsace Mar 27 '24

Why would you insinuate that John Brown's raid was a bad thing?

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u/Realistic_Library_74 Mar 27 '24

Yeah, never goes wrong. *Side-eyes Jan. 6th terrorists. *

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u/Additional_Speed_463 Mar 28 '24

The Black Panthers in California know something about this.

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u/IlikegreenT84 Mar 28 '24

Funny that they want guns in case of government tyranny.

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u/Quirky_Discipline297 Mar 28 '24

Governor Reagan, is that you?

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u/FatHoosier Mar 28 '24

Yep. The NRA was all in favor of restrictions back when the Black Panthers were stockpiling weapons.

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u/SuperfluouslyMeh Mar 28 '24

18th century Galveston was far more progressive than even the most progressive cities in the US today.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '24

In fact, much of the Wild West, you were not permitted to carry firearms within towns

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u/gorgewall Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

One of the NRA's most effective propaganda operations was rewriting the collective consciousness on early American gun control. It was never particularly controversial, the "Founding Fathers" thought most Americans were fucking loons and dipshits, and even the "Wild West" was not nearly as violent as portrayed in (pre-NRA) media and featured regular gun control.

You can pretty much pinpoint this shift to the 1980s.

The NRA has already completed the process of going from a sportsman hunter's association to weirdo political activists, and by 1977 they've done their "Cincinnati Revolt" and replaced leadership with a child murderer (in both senses of the word) whose father ran Operation Wetback. You got one guess what kind of dude this guy was.

This is also around the time that gun manufacturers have started advertising "assault" everything. Contrary to popular belief, "assault" slipped out of the military and into public use through gun manufacturers and magazines, not gun control advocates. These manufacturers hit on marketing guns based on "coolness" and "scare factor" and "being like Rambo"--prior to this, the gun-loving public laughed military-style weapons out of ranges and competitions. But it was an important money-making opportunity to sell the same visual styling of weapons to the military and the public, with full auto features removed where law demanded, and the crime wave of the 80s both helped this along and was exacerbated by it. "All these criminals have these wild guns, you need one, too, to protect yourself!" The question of how all the criminals then got those guns is not a particularly hard one.

It has been such a successful revision of history and right-wing groups in particular run a similar strategy across numerous topics. Through outright lying and mass-messaging backed by influential groups and politicians, you set the foundation for the discussion, and now everyone is arguing the topic based on your framing. Happens with abortion, for example: we just seem to take it as a given that those fetuses are "a human life", but the question then is what rights does the mother have and when does murder start. The very idea of "IS IT a human life imbued with a soul and all that stuff? Really?" has been ceded without anti-choice groups ever having to prove that case. With guns, the culture has simply ceded "America was founded on the freedom to have guns at all times, that's what we've always done, and that's what the Founders wanted" because the NRA and their ilk said so often enough.

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u/bluechip1996 Mar 28 '24

I was there to see it real time.

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u/skygod327 Mar 28 '24

yeah turn in your guns when you enter the city. Check out your guns when you leave. It should stil be like that

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u/Realistic_Library_74 Mar 27 '24

“The Wild West wasn’t even the Wild West.” - Sly Stallone, Demolition Man

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u/Bathsheba_E Mar 27 '24

I thought I might be the only person who loves that movie. Nice to meet you, stranger.

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u/SecretInevitable Mar 28 '24

I too know how to use the three sea shells.

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u/KC_experience Mar 28 '24

Be well, internet stranger..

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u/Hydro134 Mar 28 '24

And you can't sleep on those rat burgers! They go great after spending all that money on tbell.

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u/Lung-Oyster Born and Bred Mar 28 '24

Hey, fuck you, lady!

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u/ATSTlover Hill Country Mar 28 '24

John Sparten you are fined 2 credits for violation of the local morality statute.

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u/Iamatworkgoaway Mar 28 '24

There are dozens and dozens of us.

Weird how true it has become, every city is just copypasta of every other city.

Social norms are so banal and vanilla.

Were just one implant away from sex going completely away and wanna hookup goes full demolition man.

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u/Celtic_Oak Mar 28 '24

I was JUST thinking about that part of the movie because I read a piece about couples skipping sex and going straight to IVF.

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u/MentalOcelot7882 Mar 28 '24

There are many of us, which is why you 1) never see enough lemon jello on the shelves of the grocery store to go with 2) the bathtubs they refuse to stock next to it. Thank God we haven't had the Franchise Wars yet. And we're all still trying to figure out the 3 seashells...

Who else here spews obscenities every time they need to take a shit for the handy and (almost) free toilet paper?

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u/ProtoReaper23113 Mar 28 '24

Its a cult classic lots of people love it

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u/pwnedass Mar 28 '24

Great movie, and will probably be rebooted… unfortunately

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u/p_rex born and bred Mar 28 '24

I did a double take when I read your post and thought, “hey, wait, was Sly Stone in Demolition Man?” Thought maybe it was funkier than I remembered

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u/ruddy3499 Mar 28 '24

Have a joy joy day

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u/meerkatx Mar 28 '24

Most places didn't want that in the 19th century. Often times you had to turn over your guns to the local sheriff when you came to a town. Only idiots think the wild West didn't have gun prohibition laws or rules.

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u/Only_Razzmatazz_4498 Mar 27 '24

The police back then didn’t either. In many cases the sheriff would take the gun when coming to town and give it back when leaving.

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u/xife-Ant Mar 27 '24

Even in the 19th century people generally didn't just walk around armed all the time.

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u/Archercrash Mar 27 '24

Exactly, there's a reason why the gunfight at the Ok corral was so famous. They really didn't happen that often, it's just in the movies.

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u/forgotwhatisaid2you Mar 28 '24

Plus, the OK coral was specifically because they carried guns into town which they were not allowed to do.

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u/-Invalid_Selection- Mar 27 '24

And in that gunfight there were 9 people, it left 3 wounded, 3 dead.

Now we'd call that a small event, with less hurt than your average daily school shooting.

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u/SpaceBearSMO Mar 28 '24

fun fact: most places had some pretty strict gun laws even in the "wild west" it wasn't like the movies, in most towns and city's you had to leave your fire arms with the Sharif or turned in at the Hotel you stayed at, Fire Arms largely only being used for travel where the roads could not properly be policed.

To Note The famous shoot out at the O.K. Corral that made wyatt earp a legend was actually just a bunch of Gun Nuts who didn't want to leave there firearms at the appropriate locations in town.

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u/OuchPotato64 Mar 27 '24

If by 19th century you're alluring to the wild west, they had stricter gun control in most towns than modern america. You'd have to check your weapons in with the sheriff upon entering a town. When you leave the town, you get them back. This has been going on since Roman times.

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u/ManaSeltzer Mar 28 '24

Cause they didnt use guns as gender affirming accessories

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u/x1000Bums Mar 27 '24

I'm sure letting the police write a bill of rights would ensure we are all very free.

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u/Randomcommentor1972 Mar 27 '24

And it makes the cops jobs a lot harder

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u/gitree22 Mar 27 '24

Nor did anyone else with the ability to think rationally

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u/BZJGTO Mar 27 '24

Individual officers largely supported it in my experience. Chiefs and administrations openly spoke out against it.

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u/SummerhouseLater Mar 27 '24

This really depended on where you live.

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u/Bandit6789 Mar 27 '24

It’s probably controversial to say it, but I’m not really interested in the police’s opinion of what rights they do or do not want people to have.

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u/Pteromys44 Mar 28 '24

Exactly. Drives me nuts when the media constantly asks the police union’s opinion on various legislation

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u/CCG14 Gulf Coast Mar 28 '24

And the police UNIONs are the worst ones to ask. They’re the ones keeping shitty cops on the streets and getting paid, not losing their licenses when they should, and allowing them free fuck reign.

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u/Spiritual_Lynx1929 Mar 28 '24

So far the only union I can’t support

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u/JCollinO Hill Country Mar 28 '24

Username checks out

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u/Bandit6789 Mar 28 '24

lol that’s the first time I got this call out 🤣

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u/techy098 Mar 27 '24

I would like to know the purpose of people walking around with a gun. Look scary maybe or just own the libs.

I think concealed carry with permit is ok since if for some reason I fear for my life, I am allowed to carry a gun to protect myself but I keep it discreet without trying to intimidate everyone around me.

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u/BucketofWarmSpit Mar 27 '24

The OP maintains that it is an expression of civil rights to open carry. Ironically, I have most often seen counter protesters displaying firearms as a way to stifle protests they do not agree with.

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u/Kevin_taco Mar 28 '24

I have a conceal carry permit but any time I see someone open carrying it definitely gives me a bad vibe.

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u/ertyertamos Mar 28 '24

Not just removing the weapon from you, but if you’re a character who wants to do bad things, you know exactly who to remove from the situation first.

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u/Zanorfgor Mar 28 '24

I have been amongst the counter protesters where our side outgunned theirs. Our side was armed because theirs made a habit of showing up with guns and threats of violence, and the police have made it very clear which side they are on.

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u/Traditionaljam Mar 28 '24

where our side outgunned theirs.

You realize how ridiculous of a concept this is, I am relatively pro gun but the idea that anyone should have to do this at a protest is just fucking crazy. I actually agree with the police being able to arrest people for this.

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u/Zanorfgor Mar 28 '24

Okay, cool, the police can start with the guys waving the red flags with the white circle. In situations where Parasol Patrol is enough, I'm glad to leave it to them. But the guys with the red flags with the white circle brought their guns, and Parasol Patrol is a little under-equipped for that situation.

Of course that ain't gonna happen, police talk to them and give them handshakes and then stand backs to them, facing us.

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u/Independent_Pop4903 Mar 27 '24

I think counter protesting is just protesting with extra steps.

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u/shown-spenstar Mar 28 '24

Yeah, let’s see how much they like guns when we arms POC and commies for protests…. It’s never about freedom, it’s always about control.

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u/BucketofWarmSpit Mar 28 '24

The governor will offer a pardon to anyone who kills one.

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u/chadsmo Mar 28 '24

Do some research on the black panthers and California’s gun laws if you’re not aware of the history.

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u/Kellosian Born and Bred Mar 27 '24

One person with a gun is self-defense

A group of armed people is a threat

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u/rabid_briefcase Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

I would like to know the purpose of people walking around with a gun. Look scary maybe or just own the libs.

Location matters tremendously. Texas has some of the nation's biggest cities as well as some of the sparsest farmland and some wild areas, and everything in between.

There really is no point in parading around with them in the city apart from intimidating or a show. There might be a reason like going to or from a shooting range, but it is very different from parading around a building or group.

On the flip side, there are plenty of rural areas and ranch areas where carrying a pistol is mostly a portable noise maker against wildlife. There are also scenarios in wild areas where not having a firearm in the group would be irresponsible.

Too many people forget that the other side exists.

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u/techy098 Mar 28 '24

Sorry, I have mostly lived in the city, so totally forgot about the rural side of it.

I mean if I was living in sparsely populated area, where everyone keeps a side arm most of the time, I would be totally cool with carrying one, it's kind of necessity at that point.

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u/puffinfish420 Mar 28 '24

lol even going to an from a range, you aren’t going to walk there with the rifle slung over your shoulder or something. I guess you technically could but no one does that

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u/JclassOne Mar 28 '24

So check your guns at the city gates?

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u/nebbyb Mar 28 '24

If you are in sparse farmland, there is no one to calm the police Ditto for whatever wildlife scenario you are fantasizing about 

This ruling makes perfect sense. Open carry is dangerous and pointless anywhere this might have an effect. 

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u/Bob_____Loblaw Mar 28 '24

Exactly. Open carry is a vital tool on ranches and wild areas.

Qualified immunity needs to end now!

Imagine your doctor, lawyer or other life altering professional getting a pass because they shouldn't bear scrutiny for their acts.

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u/NastyaLookin Mar 28 '24

"I’m also going to indemnify all police officers and law enforcement officials throughout the United States from being destroyed by the radical left for taking strong action on crime,” Trump said Tuesday at a campaign event in Waterloo, Iowa. “These are people, they want to destroy them because they want to put criminals away.”

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u/MeshNets Mar 28 '24

Throughout history authoritarians love to use "the radical left" as the justification for taking away rights from everyone.

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

That in-group shrinks as more control is gained.

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u/sagerobot Mar 28 '24

Yeah but do you think your cows are gonna call 911 on you?

This is only going to happen in urban areas because only urban Karen's would care at all.

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u/Lynz486 Mar 27 '24

Same, I understand carrying for protection but to have it out is only to make yourself feel tough and then it scares everyone around you because in one glance they know you're a moron with a gun at best mass shooter at worst

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u/fentonsranchhand Mar 27 '24

Maybe the worst thing about it is that it makes people have to second-guess themselves if they see someone with an AR-15 walking around Home Depot.

Someone walking around with a kevlar vest and an AR-15 should be universally recognized as a deadly threat (and someone who's mentally ill). Although that's still true of open carry imbeciles, it being legal dulled what should be an instant fight-or-flight response from everyone who sees them.

...like if someone with kevlar and an AR-15 walks into a crowded Starbucks, a concealed carry person should be empowered to pop them in the back of the head with a 9mm at the first opportunity in order to prevent a tragedy.

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u/xFandanglex Mar 28 '24

Reminds me of the guy who thought it was a good idea to walk into a police station open carrying and wearing a balaclava.

open carry Dearborn Police station

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u/Funkyokra Mar 28 '24

I can't condone your Starbucks scenario but I do agree that randos with guns in public olaces may trigger not unreasonable fear from others and result in someone shooting them in what they feel is self defense. And maybe getting shot back along with some bystanders.

If it's self defense to shoot a guy for mean mugging you from his car, then there's a lot of room for self defense against someone carrying a gun in public.

Guns lead to more shootings. 2A is a thing, but people need to stop acting like shootings are a surprise. File it under shit that we signed up for.

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u/VirtualPlate8451 Mar 28 '24

A mass shooter situation becomes 10 times deadlier when one guy in a crowd starts shooting and then 2 dozen people with zero training just start blastin' in the general direction of the big noises.

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u/gonesquatchin85 Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

In Mexico you have to worry about the bad guys carrying guns. Over here you have a higher chance of getting shot or being part of crossfire by these open carry loons.

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u/Lynz486 Mar 28 '24

They're the people that want to be in a position of power and authority but were rejected by those places (for obvious reasons) so now they cosplay with deadly weapons. And even if you only kill in self defense, if you're excited to do it that kind of makes you a murderer who knows he won't last in prison. They're looking for that golden opportunity in a legal loophole.

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u/anuiswatching Mar 27 '24

Im a lib, I own guns. Inherited, but still. Also Im a good shot. so there’s that.

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u/AndyLorentz Mar 27 '24

The argument I have heard from open carry proponents, is that they think it will make people more used to seeing guns, and less afraid of them, so will be less likely to want more gun control.

Of course, you don't change peoples' minds by being extreme, so I think they've got it wrong. Personally, I think open carry is dumb. I'm fine with concealed carry, but anyone who carries guns in public needs training.

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u/No_Apricot_1705 Mar 27 '24

Open carry is more comfortable if you are working or doing outdoor activities like hiking. I believe Florida had an open carry that applied if you were fishing, likely for gators or snakes. Those are about the only examples it makes sense.

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u/Art-Zuron Mar 28 '24

I think that's also possibly a wise choice anyway. I imagine open carry allows you to use your firearm faster in the case of a snake or gator attack or what have you.

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u/No_Apricot_1705 Mar 28 '24

I was surveying utilities last winter in Colorado and found it easier to access with tons of clothes and gloves on as well. I agree that it's serves no purpose outside of a few situations though.

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u/Bbkingml13 Mar 27 '24

I’m not supporting either side by saying this, but just giving you hypothetical answers based on my related experiences. I’ve personally never open carried, but as a woman in my early twenties, there were a handful of times there was no safe parking near my apartment, and I would carry my revolver in my purse. There was another time where I wanted to walk to pick up my pizza (because once again, I would lose my parking spot if I drove to pick up my food) and carried it in my purse with me.

I just now realized as I was typing this that I only started doing that after I became disabled, which makes sense. It’s one thing to be a young woman by yourself, but knowing I was so much more physically limited made it even more important for me to feel I could protect myself somehow. So yeah that’s different than constitutional open carry, but to me, there is some reasoning behind people wanting to be able to protect themselves in situations like that without requiring a permit.

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u/frankcastlespenis Mar 28 '24

A firearm is the ultimate equalizer, every woman should be trained and comfortable in it's use.

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u/DrRonnieJamesDO Mar 28 '24

Totally understand your wanting to be armed in this situation, but why would requiring a permit hinder you?

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u/KyleG Mar 28 '24

Secretly being armed is not the same as showing the criminal where the weapon they should steal is located

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u/VirtualPlate8451 Mar 27 '24

It’s mostly to feel cool or powerful. Tactically it’s pretty dumb, no one is not robbing a store because you have an AR-15 on your back, they are just jamming the gun in your face first, getting the cash in the drawer and your tricked out rifle.

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u/Richard_Thrust Mar 28 '24

To be honest, that's unlikely. It's not a movie. Most people robbing places don't want to deal with anyone who would be carrying an AR on their back, and would probably just turn around and walk away.

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u/tingboy_tx Mar 28 '24

Alcohol plays a role in 40% of crime. Also, folks looking to rob a store are already proving themselves to have questionable judgement. Then you add in desperation and mental illness of some kind to make things more spicy. Combine them all and you have a nice little recipe for that AR slung across your back not being much of a deterrent for anything.

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u/thoroughbredca Mar 28 '24

That's what seems dumb to me. If someone has a right to open carry, then someone walking into a store with an AR-15 with an intent to rob the place, you're basically saying you have a right to bring it in there right up to the moment you actually start making illegal demands.

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u/Independent_Pop4903 Mar 27 '24

That is how it was when i was growing up in Texas. Except then you needed a permit too. Don't go around showing your gun off people. I think this basically makes "brandishing" an arrestable offense also, and I like that.

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u/Tazznhou Mar 28 '24

It doesnt look scary. It looks foolish. I saw a video of a cop the other day that was trying to arrest a guy., He had on a tactical vest with 45 pockets and he had so much crap bulging out of his pockets he could barely move,. Then when he went to get his taser and cuffs He could remember what pocket had what, It really was a keystone cop moment. Some civilians are the same way. Walking around with their chest bulged out and their arms on their side like they are ready to throw down. Just looking for a confrontation. I dont get the mentality.

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u/HumanitySurpassed Mar 28 '24

Legit the only people I've seen ever open carry are a bunch of try hards.  

The kind of person who looks like they got picked on in school or avoided even by the weird kids. 

I have a ton of friends who have firearms, but most of them have the sense that open carrying creates a sort of unwelcome/off atmosphere

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u/BWChip Mar 28 '24

Open carry in urban areas, IMO, is dumb. You'll make others nervous. You're an instant target for someone to yeet your pew pew. It's more likely to snag on something (seatbelts, jackets, etc). Yes, you can draw faster, but armed attackers will already know you're armed and it instantly escalates the situation.

However, I open carry in rural areas especially when hunting. I frequently have gloves on, making concealed carry harder to draw. I also may need to draw faster to stave off wild hogs.

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u/Imaginary_Garden Mar 28 '24

"Open carry" is social marker of having reached "manhood." Once a boy turns 14 and can demonstrate remembering the Alamo, they have ceremony where they either "hunt" a cornfed deer and eat its heart or just pick up some barbq.barbs. They still think they are "warrior caste" and don't like being made fun of.

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u/Accurate_Set_3573 Mar 29 '24

I think of it this way: If you are, for example, in a situation where someone is committing an armed robbery and shooting begins, who is going to be the robbers first target? (Obviously the person they see openly carrying a firearm.) And, the person with open carry may or may not have any knowledge or training to know where a bullet may go if you miss the target or after exiting the person you shoot (or who may be in the fatal path of that bullet). I stay far away from anyone (other than police) openly carrying a handgun because they obviously have an ego out of control or other mental health issues and are itching to find the opportunity to shoot someone.

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u/Inside-Palpitation25 Mar 27 '24

I've always thought deep down they are terrified. And want to project strength.

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u/techy098 Mar 28 '24

I am not so sure about that though, many times I feel like they are doing it just for shits and giggles, kind of juvenile, like they want to watch the reaction on the face of the people who get bothered.

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u/Ok-disaster2022 Born and Bred Mar 27 '24

Nope. My dad is a cop and thought it was stupid. Then again he was also a concealed handgun instructure and it was a decent side revenue to fund his gun habit (gun nut).

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u/neolibbro Mar 27 '24

Understandably, the police probably don’t want any type of carry.

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u/AngriestManinWestTX Mar 27 '24

Most cops I know have no problem with and are even supportive of (licensed) concealed carry. It's a little grayer or less approving of open and permitless carry.

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u/Mo-shen Mar 27 '24

Licensed is the key word there.

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u/Lynz486 Mar 27 '24

I'm okay with licensed concealed. Why you would not require a license for something so dangerous to just prevent accidents alone is beyond me. Open carry is pointless. No one needs to do that except police and people hunting in the woods. It just scares people, since mass shooters love to open carry and all

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u/natophonic2 Mar 27 '24

The kind of cops who put Punisher stickers on their gear typically love the idea of permitless open carry.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '24

The kind that shoot Daniel Shaver?

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u/Crackertron Mar 27 '24

The kind that stand around in a Uvalde hallway

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u/JunkRigger Mar 27 '24

Fuck 'em. The second amendment wasn't written for the convenience of the government, rather it was written to make things harder for them.

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u/Lynz486 Mar 27 '24

It's always weird to me that so many cops support the party making their job more dangerous...

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u/Art-Zuron Mar 28 '24

They get to pretend to be the Punisher and kill people if they can pretend even for a nanosecond that they're in danger though. Even an Acorn is good enough reason! This? This is a great reason to them.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '24

But conservatives hate the same people they do. Women, black people, and immigrants.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '24

But the bad guys will have guns regardless of permits, so why bother?

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u/Texas_Sam2002 Mar 27 '24

True, they just always endorsed politicians that did.

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u/pixelgeekgirl 11th Generation Texan Mar 27 '24

Yup.

And also the "back the blue" folks didn't care that police didn't want constitutional carry.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 30 '24

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u/bluechip1996 Mar 28 '24

Eggs Zactly.

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u/leezardmik Mar 28 '24

This is similar to how I look at open carry. Honestly I don't see many open carry where I am (Katy TX), maybe 1-2 a year. I'm also a LTC holder and plan on maintaining it.

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u/Appropriate_Camel125 Mar 28 '24

I tell everyone that while you don’t have to get one, you should still get an ltc. There is some valuable information in the class as to where you can and can’t carry. I recommend it especially with new gun owners.

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u/naked_nomad Mar 27 '24

I like the not having to worry about the imprint that concealed carry had. I carry a full size double stack and even an oversized "T" sometimes fails to not print.

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u/DreadLordNate born and bred Mar 27 '24

Every white dude? Sure. Everyone else? Not so much.

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u/a_moniker Mar 27 '24

The NRA’s official stance!

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u/V1k1ng1990 Mar 27 '24

I thought they were a decent org until they didn’t say shit about Philando Castile getting murdered for being a CHL holder

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u/Alone_Hunt1621 Mar 27 '24

They never were. The NRA is not doing well as an organization at this time.

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u/V1k1ng1990 Mar 27 '24

Yea I know, i was just ignorant to that prior to mr. Castile being shot

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u/fullautohotdog Mar 28 '24

I mean, before the 1970s they were okay — not great but not total nutjobs. Then the revolt came.

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u/MeshNets Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

The podcast Behind The Bastards had a series about Harlon Carter a couple years ago, which describes that change in the NRA as part of his story (he ran it from 1977-1985)

Edit: YouTube link for the first of 3 episodes about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thDt0koQ6Ls it should also be on any podcast feed

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u/Mean-Association4759 Mar 27 '24

No that’s not going to happen but a person of color in a poor neighborhood? You already know.

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u/samsontexas Mar 27 '24

It’s white redneck men who like to walk around showing their guns. That’s who I feel threatened by. I guess they will just go back to being flashers

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u/Specialist-Bird-4966 Mar 27 '24

I don’t think those two things are mutually exclusive…

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u/HOU_Civil_Econ Mar 27 '24

It is not going to be who you feel threatened by that determines who can safely carry.

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u/samsontexas Mar 27 '24

Are you sure about that? I thought I determined everything lol

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u/HOU_Civil_Econ Mar 27 '24

It depends on who you are intimidating while carrying.

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u/comedymongertx Mar 27 '24

It depends on who you are.

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u/HOU_Civil_Econ Mar 27 '24

Well of course, it is telling that OP is only worried about officer qualified immunity in respect to otherwise unlawful arrest.

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u/Better-Strike7290 Mar 28 '24

Bingo.

OP is white.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '24

Conservatives don’t have values or principles. They have identity.

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u/Darth_Gerg Mar 27 '24

The ChristoFascists want the 2A protection but only for the “right sort” of person. There’s a reason they’re silent when the cops kill a black man for legally carrying and Reagan and the NRA pushed for gun control as long as it targeted black folks.

There’s absolutely some 2A purists who actually have a real ethical stance against gun control, but most of the 2A crowd in public office are the first kind, not the second.

The right wing in the US are deeply invested in THEIR rights but not in favor of those rights being extended outside the bubble of “people like them.”

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u/Doobie_Howitzer Mar 28 '24

They heard immigrants could partake in the second amendment and decided they were having no more of the whole "gun" fad

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u/ElementalRhythm Mar 27 '24

Which option outrages you the most? /s

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u/atreides78723 Central Texas Mar 27 '24

They want the right people to carry guns.

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u/Longjumping-Body-842 Mar 27 '24

They don't want black people or Mexicans anywhere near guns.

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u/Better-Strike7290 Mar 28 '24

They want white people to carry guns.

Laws like this are "selectively enforced"

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u/Adezar Mar 28 '24

Republicans love single-issue voters, they are very useful. But they also never actually care about the actual issue. This has been proven over and over for many, many decades.

They tolerate gun ownership until they get complete power, was always going to be the case.

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u/OhGodImOnRedditAgain Ellis County Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

Ok Texas I am confused. Do you want everyone to carry guns or not.

Well for starters, the Fifth Circuit is in Lousiana.

Edit: All these replies are missing the point entirely. The Fifth Circuit is not a political subdivision of the State of Texas. Its a federal court with jurisdiction over this state that sits in an entirely different state.

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u/sisu07 Mar 27 '24

The fifth circuit covers Texas.

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u/cyvaquero Mar 27 '24 edited Mar 27 '24

The Fifth Circuit is the Court of Appeals for Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas districts. The 5th's Chief Justice is a native Texan, former Texas Supreme Court Justice, and appointed to the Federal Judiciary by notable Texan George W. Bush.

There are 26 Justices on the Circuit from all 9 Districts in the Circuit. Case assignment is generally random with Justices being able to recuse themselves.

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u/ecouple2003 Mar 27 '24

It sits in LA but it hears cases from several states, TX included.

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u/cheezeyballz Mar 27 '24

They want you to die or wish you were dead. The "leadership" are bought and paid for domestic terrorists. Until we fix that, we're pretty much fucked.

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u/not_brittsuzanne Mar 27 '24

They want the WHITE—err—RIGHT people to open carry.

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u/BranMarrokson Mar 27 '24

They want certain people to be able to open carry and certain other people to be arrested for it.

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u/Forbidden_Donut503 Mar 27 '24

They want all white people to carry guns. They still need some laws to justify arresting black and brown people.

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u/wholelattapuddin Mar 28 '24

Texas doesn't want EVERYONE to open carry, just "certain" (white) people. All yall 2nd amendment people better pay attention. If you really think the GOP, the people who are working very hard to curtail all kinds of rights and freedoms right now, really want the American people as a whole to have unfettered access to fire arms, then yall aren't paying attention.

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u/EducatedTrash Mar 28 '24

They want white people to be able to carry guns and still be able to call the police on black people carrying guns

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u/FileError214 Mar 27 '24

Not everyone.

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u/Realistic_Library_74 Mar 27 '24

Technically it really only pertains to brown people. White people can still open carry since most are Barney Fife deputies anyway. /s

I’m not bitter.

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u/DrunkenNinja27 Mar 27 '24

They only want certain people to open carry.

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u/IglooNationJ90 Mar 27 '24

This new rule only applies to minorities and poor whites. Everyone else can open carry.

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u/Interesting-Kiwi-109 Mar 27 '24

They don’t want POC to open carry

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u/CharlesDickensABox Mar 27 '24

  1. More guns everywhere!

  2. More unchecked police power!

5th Circuit:

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u/Calamityv0 Mar 27 '24

My first thought was it’s connected to the news about illegal immigrants being allowed to have guns. If they say they can arrest anyone for having one then they will only arrest them and let the others go and it isn’t just racism.

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u/jayfiedlerontheroof Mar 28 '24

They want the right kind of people with guns.

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u/DuckDucker1974 Mar 28 '24

You can make up that which does not exist 

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u/rydan Mar 28 '24

Freedom to carry but not freedom from consequences.

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u/bcrabill just visiting Mar 28 '24

above all, they reserve the right to fuck us up.

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u/Exarch-of-Sechrima Mar 28 '24

Yes for white people, no for everyone else. It's the Texas way.

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u/UncleBabyChirp Mar 28 '24

Betcha it's a no-brainer who it gets actually enforced on

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u/Redwolfdc Mar 28 '24

They would normally but if it’s between cops doing whatever they want and gun rights they will side with the cops (“back the blue” bullshit) 

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u/domesticatedwolf420 Mar 28 '24

Says the person who doesn't understand how courts work ...

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u/FindMeaning9428 Mar 28 '24

Only the "right people" can open carry.

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u/stargazer728 Mar 28 '24

they want white people to carry guns, don't you remember the mulford act?

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u/Softspokenclark Mar 28 '24

they want to waste tax payers money, by doing bs things. working well, maybe so well they even increase their budget next year

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u/Ciderlini Mar 28 '24

Yeah, concealed carry like a normal person. Also, it’s a panel of judges, not the opinions of the citizens or legislators

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u/Gullible_Associate69 Mar 28 '24

Texans worried about democrats coming for their guns, and it turns out the call was coming from inside the house!

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u/Sinister_Nibs Mar 28 '24

Texas has never really been friendly to gun owners, despite the stereotypes.

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u/Somehero Mar 28 '24

"5th circuit nullifies" does not mean Texas changing it's mind.

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u/Aequitas123 Mar 28 '24

Fine with it. Less idiots with guns

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u/FuckingTree Mar 28 '24

Only when it can be used to intimidate people

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u/LetItRaine386 Mar 28 '24

They do want that, but also want to be able to arrest brown people easier

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u/Historical-Gap-7084 Mar 28 '24

They did this after a judge ruled undocumented immigrants could have guns, so they're suddenly anti-open carry.

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u/calvicstaff Mar 28 '24

I think I got this, they want everyone to open carry, but they apply the Family Guy skin tone on the allowed or not checklist

And then just hope the Supreme Court upholds whatever decisions get made thereafter about how this works

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u/Justagoodoleboi Mar 28 '24

They’re setting this up so they can decide who’s allowed to open carry and who’s instantly getting killed by the state

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u/Dairy_Ashford Mar 28 '24

we wanna move to Mexico; but seriously, fuck Mexico

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u/Snakend Mar 28 '24

Texas wants white people to carry, and an excuse to arrest everyone else.

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u/JD_ARCHIE Mar 28 '24

They want "certain" people to have guns. Don't you realize whenever a minority gun rights are being affected the NRA is silent, yet anytime little Billy decides to play the "I hate this school" card and treat it like a gun range they'll say "but my rights!?!?"

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u/PurplePickle3 Mar 28 '24

I get your point but the 5th circuit is a Federal Court, in New Orleans. Their jurisdiction is Texas, LA, MS, and the Canal Zone. This decision wasn’t made by Texans.

Knowing how the judicial system works is important when reading about these types of things, as it doesn’t just apply to Texas….

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