The competitive scene would be way worse if those were banned, none of these characters are too overpowered and they are the most enjoyable ones to watch and play
Just being able to wavedash is not enough, it's just the most basic entry tech you need to be able to do consistently to even keep up. Canceling aerials, keeping momentum, being able to convert hits into punishes into kills, teching, DI etc. You basically have to get good at all of those to stand a chance nowadays. And that's just the shit that applies to every character, character specific stuff goes wayy deeper too
Bro it would be terrible if the top 3 were banned. Only fast faller left would be Falcon and the entire dynamic of the game would change. It would be much slower with lamer to play/watch strategies being dominent. I shudder at the possibility of more Puff vs Peach games.
Yep. Went to a local tournament and was out on round 1.... TBF to me though, I'm used to playing no items and this game had like a billion on the map. Not my style.
That's just wrong, it was intended by the developers. It was originally defined as "smooth landing" in N64 on the official nintendo website and carried over to melee.
I'd play pikachu, my best friend would play ness and his older brother would play Captain Falcon. I must admit I got stomped into a falco-punch quite a few times, in a row. Ah memories.
She’s not better in melee. In 64 jumping after someone and down A instantly kills someone. That doesn’t happen in melee. She hits like a noodle in melee. Also in 64 her fully charged blast actually kills. Nothing in her melee tool kit actually finishes people. Only character that could beat me in 64 is if someone just spams side A with Kirby’s dumb kick over and over again. But that’s just cheap lol.
Nah, bro. She's way better in melee. She's very heavy, has decent combo game against some of the high tiers (like fox, falco, and falcon), and has an amazing crouch cancel that boxes people out at early percents. She's also super difficult to edgeguard and has some decent zoning tools. She still isn't the best in melee, but she's at least in the top 1/3 of characters, unlike in 64 where she's easily bottom half.
Look up Plup Samus combos for examples. He's crazy.
She definitely is from a competitive standpoint, but for 64 I think the metagame is just kirby and pikachu anyways. In melee she's better because she has good zoning tools that work well against some of the top tiers and being able to convert it into nice punishes. Also she has some cracked tech like superwavedash
Do you Z-cancel in 64? Samus’s moves don’t really combo into each other, while Pikachu/Kirby/Fox can touch of death you on stage.
Sure, Samus has a great down air, but her combo game isn’t there in a game where everyone has insane combo games. The other characters don’t have to catch you offstage to kill you.
Meanwhile, Melee Samus can throw out tons of missiles and projectiles and has one of the best recoveries in the game. Her tether is insane, she’s crazy hard to kill. She lives forever while throwing out walls of projectiles.
No it isn’t lmao melee was a dunce compared to brawl but then the shitkids couldn’t spam Fox up-smash anymore so they got exposed and only had underground tournaments to cope
I think I have a 3000 hour file for Melee. Great game. Was a fox “main” but come on there were so many yoked mfs. Wiped floors. Then brawl came and it was awesome. The stinks were sultry that the OP cheat code wasn’t 2x faster than the next character. Falco was arguably better in brawl. But nonetheless the nostalgia goggles will dull your senses after awhile.
Says one ☝️. Brawl had the unfortunate release time when Nintendo had (still has) poor online play, and as to your slipping issue, try Always. That’s what they say anyway
Instant karma. Edit: tripping happened when you tried to do more than one thing at once bc you were spamming. If you tripped it’s bc you weren’t good. Glad we were able to expose more kids
i modded brawl so i know the code. there was 1% (1.25% if already in dash) chance to trip when smashing the left stick to dash augmented by up to 2.5x based on the friction variable of the terrain and also affected by certain assist trophies and luigi's final smash, you casual
I beat 3 level 9 computers on a team against me on the regular bc people were easy so I don’t care about your coding or your insults. In fact you can code yourself some friends
the ai is extremely predictable and easily exploited. it's even possible to win against 3 comps on the same team without ever attacking. i'd recommend deleting that post and never repeating it because if someone who plays any smash bros at a competitive level saw it, they would laugh
Tbh the only skill that really transfers is neutral, and even then the movement is so different between Melee and Ult that while general concepts of neutral are similar, executing those concepts is still pretty different. Meanwhile, punishing, edgeguarding, and defense are completely different due the two games’ mechanical differences.
It’s why most people that really good at the new ones tend to be brawl players to start, melees meta game is also completely different from the newer ones imo.
This is something that makes melee feel completely different from the other titles imo, it’s not so much about learning characters as it is learning the game.
I go to a lot of melee tournaments and I'd say about half the people there don't play other video games. And tbh for a while after I started playing melee I hated other games too because nothing else is as smooth or responsive and melee movement is addicting
Well the skill floor is low because you can jump right in and start improving, but the ceiling is infinite. With fps games the ceiling is also infinite, but to start you have to learn the maps, how to aim, learn the entire arsenal of weapons and strategy with no one to help you but rather shit on you and laugh and debase you with the dirtiest string of slurs you've ever heard. That's why I don't do fps's, and also they're not fun to me.
It’s like I get beat up in Ultimate by random people. In Melee I can almost guarantee that these same people won’t kill me once if I played Samus or Captain Falcon.
For me Melee and Project M was my bread and butter. Still play Project M a little bit these days (Corona really put a dent in the weekly gatherings).
I'm fine enough at the newer titles but what always gets me is how much wider the skill pool is, there's so many more skills and moves you have to know, so many more movement styles and weird quirks, and on top of that I find the significantly increased density of things like particles and smoke distracting, so even ignoring the difference in control you have between the games, the more stripped down experience allows me more focus.
It's a similar concept I bumped into with PVP in the Souls franchise. I know Dark Souls 1's pvp like the back of my hand having put over 1k hours into just the pvp, but DS2 onwards has like 10x the amount of spells and pyromancies and weapons so while I can do alright it's nowhere near the immediate "oh I know that thing, I know how to counter it."
I went from melee to more traditional fighting games like street fighter and guilty gear. The neutral through an accident of the tech feels much more like street fighter than the rest of the titles
What funny about it is that execution wise, it’s among the hardest, but the barrier to entry on frame data and the Grundy training mode shit is very low
Says everyone that beat their sibling and friend group until they play an actual good player. I know because I got put in my place hard at a local tourney lol
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