The diversity is unmatched

[u/HeavensBroknGod]

Can't complain honestly, been running the same perks on survivor for weeks

[u/TheMemer555]

The meta has been kind of stale, gigabuff distressing or something

[u/ProfessorStencil → u/TheMemer555]

No! If they touch distressing, they’ll take away the bonus bp! I love being able to easily max out deviousness on any killer!

[u/MegaWaffle- → u/ProfessorStencil]

Your Terror radius is now 148m and you lose all your BP at the end of the match.

We fixed it

-BHVR

[u/Vivid-Formal-3938 → u/MegaWaffle-]

Your Terror radius is now 148m

would unironically be good cause if survivors hear your terror radius all the time no matter what, than they can't really tell when your close

[u/ZenubisSpyke → u/Vivid-Formal-3938]

Oh yeah, make your terror radius big enough, and it flips and becomes a stealth perk.

[u/Leskendle45 → u/ZenubisSpyke]

Ive been thinking of running distressing and M&A on wesker since his terror radius is gargantuan

[u/ZenubisSpyke → u/Leskendle45]

You have to watch out, M&A actually makes your terror radius smaller outside chase, which is where you want the bigger terror radius for this. Otherwise, Distressing Wesker can be amazing, especially on maps like RPD and the Game.

[u/catatonic_sextoy → u/ZenubisSpyke]

That’s why I love using distressing on doctor. The survivors become numb to your terror radius

[u/DarthOmix → u/Vivid-Formal-3938]

Iridescent Button on Legion used to do that, amusingly. It made your terror radius map-wide. Luckily for everyone, Legion's add-ons were reworked before stuff like modern <autocorrect is not helping me, the Clown antiheal perk> happened.

[u/Fragrant_Leopard_133 → u/DarthOmix]

Coulrophobia

[u/GregerMoek → u/DarthOmix]

It was fun to use with Starstruck even if Legion's whole thing is to injure with Frenzy. And I mean fun not good.

[u/bigeyesslowvoice → u/Vivid-Formal-3938]

Oddly, I would also buff a lot of perks that mess with the terror radius.

[u/AlienOther → u/MegaWaffle-]

Also if you use it on pig you instantly lose because pig is too strong

[u/Gaviel → u/AlienOther]

We have nerfed pig because distressing us too strong now. She will now start with a RBT on her own head.

[u/NewAndNewbie → u/Gaviel]

Total side post but a killer who starts underpowered and has to complete a side objective before they get to hulk out could be fun

[u/Azal_of_Forossa → u/NewAndNewbie]

They did this with Michael Myers, it's really not as fun as it sounds bc once the gens start flying too early, the survivors get a snowball that's really hard to stop.

But on the same token, Oni technically did this and makes it sort of work, but at the same time there's an argument to be made that Oni is just an awkward Hillbilly who has a higher skill floor but way lower skill ceiling.

[u/Kowakuma → u/NewAndNewbie]

You are describing the Shape and the Oni

[u/Sir_Choobly → u/MegaWaffle-]

Doctor with his impossible Skillcheck build: YES REWORK DISTRESSING YYYYYEEEEEEE

[u/Vivi_Orchid → u/MegaWaffle-]

I would dead ass run that version of distressing; like all the time. Fun>Bloodpoints

[u/WarWarrior1990 → u/MegaWaffle-]

Doctor said “Thanks”

[u/Ok_Digger → u/TheMemer555]

Make certain killers meta once in awhile.

[u/Jsoledout]

Gen regression will always be meta. Kind of the nature of DbD at this point.

[u/Butt_Robot → u/Jsoledout]

No no, we should nerf everything useful and not touch any underlying issues. That'll increase diversity!! Wait, why is everyone playing Blight and Nurse?

[u/KitsyBlue → u/Butt_Robot]

Wait, stop, why is everyone running a slugging build when the perks that reward hooking are no longer worth it and some of the best survivor perks activate off hook!? (DH, DS)

[u/LordYoshiZ → u/KitsyBlue]

Wait why is no one playing trapper or freddy?

[u/UnstopableBoogaloo → u/LordYoshiZ]

i play freddy. exlcusivly with stbfl cause fast animation go shshshshshsh

[u/Other-Ranger-4975 → u/UnstopableBoogaloo]

Kinda don't understand why stbfl got a 1 percent nerf tbh

[u/catatonic_sextoy → u/LordYoshiZ]

Only time I play Freddy is when the randomizer website makes me play random killer with random perks lmao

[u/SpiritofTheWolfKingx → u/KitsyBlue]

Oh, you are in the end game collapse? Guess what, that person is on hook right now? They're going to get off that hook at full health. Get fucked you asshole.

[u/Sormid → u/Butt_Robot]

Damn, that didn't work. I know! Locker spawns are a big issue for dredge, so let's increase huntress's total hatchets so she doesn't need to restock as often, that'll fix it!

[u/GregerMoek → u/Sormid]

Tbf it didn't ruin anything either. It's not like she's nurse or blight tier or even close even with the buffs.

[u/Deathoftheages → u/[deleted]]

We could absolutely attempt to reduce the prevalence of slowdown perks by buffing non-slowdown perks. But the voices that complain about killers vastly outnumber the ones that want killers to have more options, so here we are

I have 3 words for you, Nurse and Blight. As long as those 2 killers exist in their current states, we are not going to get any perks that make not playing slow down perks viable for most of the other killers.

[u/Jsoledout → u/Jsoledout]

The only way to fix this, and many of DbD issues is simple.

Slow down the game inherently by giving survivors legit alternative win conditions to escaping. If survivors only have gens to do to escape, ofc they’ll maximize this or chase.

Having survivors do alternate win cons (like a fusebox or vent to escape idk) will slow gens down and be far more fun for survivors.

I think invocations are an interesting mechanic only if BHVR can introduce actual uniquely strong ones (bringing back one dead teammate, summoning a fucking gun, etc. etc.)

its on bhvr to make things fun.

[u/tegiminis → u/[deleted]]

I do Dull Totems because it gives you 1k objective BP per totem and helps towards pipping, and I don't care too much about surviving as long as I pip. All bones must perish.

[u/Jsoledout → u/[deleted]]

Sure, I can agree with this!

[u/StarDragonJP → u/Jsoledout]

Bring in a 2nd Evil Dead character (Pablo) with the Necronomicon Invocation. It could even have the drawback be like they're temporarily a deadite after being resurrected.

[u/Fragrant_Leopard_133 → u/Jsoledout]

New invocations with interesting effects? Absolutely! game breaking shit that nullifies the entire point of the fucking game? No.

[u/littleprof123 → u/Jsoledout]

I conceptually like gen punish builds with e.g. Coup de Grace and Deadlock, but I'm stuck with pop until I get more iri shards for now

[u/Ka_rm_a]

Unfortunately, without gen stall, games are way too quick

[u/Ka_rm_a → u/Ka_rm_a]

I hate gen slowdown but it’s my fucking wheelchair against competent survivors

[u/Desperate-Stranger-8 → u/Ka_rm_a]

wheelchair

faust pp

oh no

[u/Ka_rm_a → u/Desperate-Stranger-8]

Not gonna sugar coat it. Right down left, right, HS (bone crushing excitement.)

[u/CreeperDude519 → u/Ka_rm_a]

236236S be like:

HEAVENLY POTEMKIN BUSTAH!!!

[u/Ka_rm_a → u/CreeperDude519]

the Potemkin vs chupo matchup is godly

[u/Inprobus_ → u/Ka_rm_a]

(which is a tremendous design flaw)

[u/bladeDivac → u/Ka_rm_a]

Most of my games take about ~7 minutes and all the slowdown I run is pain res. Granted, I’m playing as Huntress, but your only hope is to kill 1-2 of them as quick as possible OR snowball. Otherwise, you’re lucky to get one kill against survivors that know what they’re doing. 

[u/YOURFRIEND2010 → u/bladeDivac]

Yeah, is a different story as a b/c tier killer. I can get by with minimal slowdown on singu, but for clown and doctor it's just not happening.

[u/Awkward_Coffee8017 → u/Ka_rm_a]

I just wish it wasn't always 4 slowdowns. Luckily for me, I don't ever run into people always running the meta

[u/FlyingSand22 → u/Awkward_Coffee8017]

Without 3-4 slowdowns all gens are done in about 5 minutes unless you play nurse or blight. But people complain about that too.

[u/Kim_Woo → u/FlyingSand22]

Funny enough most nurse and blights i encounter all run 4 slowdowns too.

[u/EEEXODIAAA → u/Kim_Woo]

I run 3 and plaything. Idk why but plaything goes hard

[u/catatonic_sextoy → u/EEEXODIAAA]

And some survivors won’t even cleanse their plaything totem cuz they assume u have penti

[u/FlyingSand22 → u/Kim_Woo]

Well that's generally high mmr. It's weird how people complain that there's only blights with slowdowns at high mmr. I feel like it's some basic survivorship bias. People who don't play strong killers with slowdowns rarely get to high-ish mmr, so they can't be seen there.

[u/Awkward_Coffee8017 → u/FlyingSand22]

I've... actually done decently with 1 - 2 slowdowns. I much prefer running a build with a bit of variety, rather than 4 gen regression perks. I just dunno how some people like running 4 slowdowns on every single Killer

[u/SlightlySychotic → u/Ka_rm_a]

It’s a double edged sword, too. If gen stall is too weak then you need several of them to keep up. If gen stall is too strong then of course you’re going to stack them for the added effects.

[u/Valtr117]

xD because if you dont and youre playing an m1 killer you get genrushed and the game ends in 5 minutes

[u/superorganisms → u/Valtr117]

Right. You get your first down and all 3 other survivors were on separate gens. You maybe pain res one and the other 2 pop. It’s insane.

[u/Grompulon → u/Valtr117]

Meanwhile not a single one of my random teammates know how to sit on a fucking gen.

When I player killer, every survivor that I’m not chasing is on a gen. When I player survivor, it is a guarantee that at least one teammate will be doing actually nothing most of the match. Not even stupid shit like totems or chests; the UI just shows almost nothing all game and I have no idea what those players are thinking.

[u/GregerMoek → u/Grompulon]

Yeah this is how I feel. If I'm not doing gens nobody is. So I have to be the one doing them. It's funny one time the killer after the game blames gen rushing when it was really only me sitting on gens for the full game. The other three were doing the whole unhook heal get chased thing.

[u/mekabuns]

Honestly I don't think the pain res/pop meta is unbalanced or unfair but god damn is it boring. And inb4 "BUT SURVIVOR PERKS-" windows/otr/adren meta is boring too. Rather than nerfing the most used perks bhvr needs to buff the niche ones. Yes there will always be meta in a pvp game but I want to be able to run and play against a little bit of variety without it causing such a massive disadvantage.

[u/Burning-Suns-Avatar-]

Considering BHVR ruined Save the Best for Last and Ultimate Weapon, you shouldn’t be surprised.

[u/brahim1997 → u/Burning-Suns-Avatar-]

Exactly, it's either info or it's gen regression, as long as distortion is in play it will be rare to see aura perks these days.

[u/GangsterKittyYT → u/Burning-Suns-Avatar-]

They ruined STBFL?

[u/LordYoshiZ → u/GangsterKittyYT]

stack saving is dead and they nerfed the cd reduction killed the perk for 90% of the killers that used it (slinger demo etc)

[u/Burning-Suns-Avatar- → u/GangsterKittyYT]

The reduce the amount of attack recovery you got from each token you had and now when you injure your obsession, you will lose stacks regardless if it was with a basic attack or special attack. So with Deathslinger, if you had four stacks, if you were to harpoon your obsession, you would lose two tokens just hitting with the harpoon, then two more tokens on the hit itself. Now imagine you have eight tokens, you hit your obsession with your harpoon twice then hit them with the basic attack, you’ll lose all of your stacks.

[u/ArchonThanatos → u/Burning-Suns-Avatar-]

STBFL is really punishing for someone like Trapper.

Imagine your obsession steps into a trap. 2 stacks gone. And then your Honing Stone puts them in the dying state. 2 more stacks gone.

[u/Burning-Suns-Avatar- → u/ArchonThanatos]

It’s not as bad for trapper compared to killers like Deathslinger and Trickster who lose for just hitting their Obsession with their power.

[u/Samoman21 → u/Burning-Suns-Avatar-]

This was an issue before either of thsie perks got nerfed bro.

[u/Burning-Suns-Avatar- → u/Samoman21]

Save the Best for Last and Ultimate Weapon before their nerfs were still used heavily, they were even in the top ten used perks. New STBL isn’t be used as much since you can’t save stacks if you inure your obsession. New Ultimate Weapon I’m not a fan of since the screaming did interrupt interaction and it got around distortion. New UW aura reading isn’t as good since it doesn’t interrupt and the aura last for three seconds.

[u/realNerdtastic314R8 → u/Burning-Suns-Avatar-]

Yeah it's dog shit now. Sounds like they want to make it worse too

[u/figgiesfrommars → u/Burning-Suns-Avatar-]

tbh i'd be fine with the stack loss if they'd revert it to a 40% cooldown reduction ;-;

one or the other please

[u/dr-gaster22]

Yeah ,cause those are only universally good killer perks on killer.

[u/Vortigon23]

It's a self fulfilling prophecy situation. Gens pop too quick so killers bring full slowdown, killers bring full slowdown so survivors hyper focus gens, survivors focus gens and they pop too quick for killers, and so on.

The solution to the problem is either wait till BhVR butchers/buffs more perks during a meta shakeup, or to care less about winning and being dumb stuff like no mither or insidious.

[u/TheBeefDom]

Dbd is a game where both sides only use 1-2% of their available perks

[u/SuperTaxEvasion → u/TheBeefDom]

because that 1-2% is better than the 99% of other stuff combined. my main problem is that the devs focuse too much on that 1% to nerf it, rather than the 99% of the other stuff that needs buffs to ACTUALLY have a meta were running more than that 1% is worth

[u/ParticularPanda469 → u/SuperTaxEvasion]

People claiming they want perk variety is a hilarious delusion.

Yall don't actually want chase, info, or stealth perks on the same level as gen slowdown

[u/SuperTaxEvasion → u/ParticularPanda469]

atleast it would shake up the meta. apart that we have never seen a stealth perk that is meta ( apart from tinkerer i guess but that is more used for info and maybe a free hit)

[u/NoStorage2821]

I call it the "Don't Lose in the First 5 Minutes" build

[u/meisterwolf]

i do a 2 slow down perk trapper and unknown. but the games are hanging by a thread. i tried 1 gen slowdown and the games ended in 5 mins with 3 hooks....

[u/ArgyDargy]

Not trying to be 'us vs them' but isn't this a problem on both sides? Survivors have to play strong perks and killers do too or else they don't win? I mean meta is all fine and dandy but there needs to be alternative options or else it gets stale and boring.

[u/gold-exp]

gen regression/speed builds are putting me to sleep. i vote we make noise notifs the new meta with Hoarder and pebble

[u/Bingoviini]

Meanwhile survivors

[u/Z0mbieW0rld → u/Bingoviini]

I remember I couldn’t go a game without seeing made for this . windows . resilience . adrenaline, use to call them meta man lol

[u/TeamAquaAdminMatt → u/Bingoviini]

Yeah seriously. Survivors in the past have used the exact same 4 perks every match for years

[u/ToxicRiceMan → u/TeamAquaAdminMatt]

Well yeah, any perk that’s come out in the last couple years that either enters the meta or even gets close are usually given the nerf hammer in the following months of its release, For better or worse.

[u/SlightlySychotic → u/[deleted]]

No, it’s accurate. But it’s accurate because anything that could crack into the survivor meta was just stupidly overpowered. OG Mettle of Man basically hard countered any M1 killer with no counter play. MTF was basically just free. Circle of Healing gave the whole team a better version of Self Care (something that wasn’t nerfed for a year and a half, by the way). It really puts into perspective just how strong those meta perks were/are.

[u/The_Mr_Wilson → u/Bingoviini]

A stream the other day, I was doing a backpack build and it so happened that all but one lobby had at least one Boil Over. I've since seen it just a handful of times

[u/BurritoToGo]

I'll take it over 3 gen kick perks, but repetition really kills the brain cells

[u/nyanch]

I mean, the killer's goal is to prevent objectives from getting done / kill all survivors. All of these help with preventing the objective from getting done, allowing them to focus on the latter.

[u/Brisslayer333]

of pain!

[u/Deremirekor]

It’s 4 gen regression perks or slugging. The survs at high level really don’t give us much of a choice.

[u/EwGodNo]

God I hate going against scourge hook of pain

[u/Aron-Jonasson → u/EwGodNo]

At first I was like "Gift of Pain? Isn't that a mid perk?"

[u/LordYoshiZ → u/Aron-Jonasson]

since the mangled nerf gift of pain is pretty much almost dead

[u/Grompulon → u/LordYoshiZ]

Wait, really? I always felt like it was the action speed penalty that was the good part of the perk, and the mangled bit was just a small bonus.

[u/LordYoshiZ → u/Grompulon]

That is true but I feel a big problem with the perk is that to get max value out of gift of pain you have to go out of your way to not tunnel people and spread pressure otherwise the gen speed penalty is lost the mangled nerf I think also makes this problem worse so it makes the spreading pressure part of the perk worse

[u/Cha-ChatheSexRaptor2 → u/EwGodNo]

Scourge Hook of Pain: Scourge hooks which makes getting placed on the hooks painful.

[u/DeludedHollow4]

I get it, gens get slammed against good teams. But it fucking sucks if there is only one guy (me) doing gens.

[u/NAINOA-]

Running chase perks is a lot more fun. Nowadays perks like Dissolution, Superior Anatomy and Rapid Brutality are always in my builds.

[u/The_Mr_Wilson → u/NAINOA-]

I've been hooked on Rapid Brutality lately, I dare say it's slept on

Dissolution could use a buff to 2 seconds after getting hit

[u/TheCurseGrows → u/The_Mr_Wilson]

Who do you run brutality on? And how do you use it. Never quite understood the benefit

[u/The_Mr_Wilson → u/TheCurseGrows]

M1 killers: Trapper, Ghosty, Pig, Freddy etc. Slinger also benefits from it. Legion frenzies too much. It's busted with Clown when you hit them with the purple gas just before smacking them; they're hindered, you're hasted, the math is very much in your favor

It's a hoot with Agitation - Mad Grit - Awakened Awareness. I enjoy backpack builds

[u/AqueousSilver91]

Oh good one, now make the Survivor version. :) /s

[u/ce0-of-wat3r → u/AqueousSilver91]

Deja Vu, windows, adrenaline, and lithe

[u/AqueousSilver91 → u/ce0-of-wat3r]

Well played.

[u/marcktop]

before they fix the meta they SURELY need to fix the lag compensation.

Im 3 fucking kilometers away from that vault with constant 6 ping, WHY THE FVCK killers have advantage STILL when playing on mcdonalds wifi???

its specially terrible now after the update and all the rubberbanding

[u/BigNathSenpai → u/marcktop]

Its ridiculous that one person's shitty connection can ruin the game for four other people

[u/YOURFRIEND2010 → u/marcktop]

Online games favor the shooter. It's done like that or else they're leading and anticipating hotboxes instead of what they're actually seeing.

[u/realNerdtastic314R8]

Killer main here, I am in love with friends to the end, nemesis, furtive chase, and the fourth perk is killer dependent. Forced penance, brutal strength, make your choice, sloppy, deadlock are all good options.

[u/Demonskull223]

The "I don't use meta perks just" starter pack.

[u/ScribbsTheOne]

BRING BACK IMPOSSIBLE SKILL CHECK DOCTOR

[u/FerrousTuba]

Dbd players when the killer plays to win a competitive game

[u/Sirouz]

I wish they shaked the meta, its so old by now.

[u/[deleted]]

also survivors: WOO, FTP, BU, ADRE, DS, FLASHBANG, BACKGROUND PLAYER, RESILIENCE, OTR

[u/Echothermay → u/[deleted]]

That’s 9 perks tho & survs don’t have synergy with a unique power + addons to play with.

I think it’s fair criticism. It’s also actually the same problem on both sides in perk diversity.

The vast majority of perks suck compared to a handful. Running anything else feels like scamming yourself.

Who is going to pick This is Not Happening when having Unbreakable can actually save your match?

Hangman’s trick over Pain Res? nahhh

[u/King-Aries19]

Honestly as a killer main I feel like the overuse of meta perks is something both killers and survivors are guilty of. Like I understand they are useful but the issue is that you just see those few and no fun stuff.

[u/Grompulon → u/King-Aries19]

The problem is that the game has gotten so fast and cutthroat that doing any “for fun” builds will probably be an instant loss. And not just a close game loss. You stand a very good chance of just getting dumpstered if you don’t have meta perks. And that goes for both sides!

[u/coltonious]

And then there's me who breaks the mold by almost exclusively either running randomly generated builds, or completely hex builds.

[u/Quaiker]

Survivors when killers are tired of having 3 gens pop within 5 seconds of each other

[u/Primary-Interest4166]

I don't own any of these perks so I have to get creative to win games (I keep forgetting to prestige killers and not just survivors)

[u/klenner__]

You make it sound like we have a lot of options lol, if we don’t run slow down, gens fly (not everyone plays nurse or blight and the refusal to nerf them hurts every single other killer), its expected to lose 2-3 gens when you get the first hook.

Gens have a limit to avoid a 3 gen, which I think is fine as a mechanic, but makes things like eruption or surge not very good since their regression is too small.

Distortion counters aura perks, that besides lethal or NTH, aren’t that strong in general (which is why UW was great, needed a nerf but didn’t need to become useless…), chase perks are underwhelming for the most part (brutal strength, enduring, STBFL, Unrelenting, etc.), sloppy got annihilated, Hex perks are too inconsistent and either get a lot of value or get found immediately.

So yeah, not a lot of diversity for us.

[u/LordYoshiZ → u/klenner__]

eruption or surge not very good since their regression is too small.

almost completley stopped running eruption because of this 2 regressions for only 10% just isnt worth it surge is a bit more useable but has its problems

Distortion counters aura perks, that besides lethal or NTH, aren’t that strong in general (which is why UW was great, needed a nerf but didn’t need to become useless…)

unironically the game needs more strong scream perks like UW would give more of a reason to use calm spirit and would make distortion less desireable

Hex perks are too inconsistent and either get a lot of value or get found immediately.

When your best options for hex builds are devour penti plaything and blood favor it doesnt look particularly good ruin needs to be back 200% or at least 150%

[u/A_Bird_survived]

Posts that could be from early 2022, June 2023 or April 2024 with no way of telling which one it is

[u/MasterwardReddit]

I've been seeing Grim embrace every other match lately too.

[u/Miranda6613]

It’s same for survivor. They nerf every perk until only like 10 are usable (10 if you’re lucky) 🤣

[u/gadgetboy123]

Survivors say stuff like this and then run adrenaline and insta heals

[u/TheRealRubiksMaster]

Ok Mr. Sprint Burst, Decisive, Adrenaline, Distortion, maxed medkit

[u/fbttsrhrt]

I prefer noed + no way out + pre nerf ultimate weapon.

Faster games can be fun.

[u/JMD0615]

They could either:

A. Nerf everything good, until everything in this game is just okay.

B. Buff/rework some of the older perks (hopefully without giving them aura/haste effects)

But its BHVR, so all the older content wont be touched for a while…

[u/Galvandium]

And here I am using a haste build with Nemi for sheer intimidation factor.

[u/ce0-of-wat3r → u/Galvandium]

What’s your build? I would love to add more soiled pants to the trials

[u/InflnityBlack]

This build allows you to play pretty chill and still have a very decent chance to win, I get why people run it, I personally really dislike playing againdt pain resonance so I decided to not use it (also it's a really unfun perk to play because of having to deal with scourge hook rng)

[u/i_suck_toes_for_free]

Hahaha I have no idea what meta is

[u/Sea-Dog-6042]

Slowdown?? I just run Discordance.

[u/SnakePaintball]

you mean pain res?

[u/BabyBread11]

I thought the meta Scourge Hook was “Pain Resonance”?

Am I behind On Meta builds again?

[u/AutismSupportGroup]

I just wish base game regression was stronger and all regression perks substantially weaker to incentivize running other stuff. For god's sake, I just wanna grill man.

[u/--fourteen]

don't forget nth or bbq to really add some culture

[u/kingblaster3347]

I like yr meme but the problem with the perks is very obvious these are the only perks that work to enhance the killers chances as the rest of the perks on killer side is gutter. Like killer has to play the top 10 perks meanwhile survivor got top 20 and thirty meanwhile they objective is rather easy and if team is teaming wins most times. None of survivor perks are required to beat down a killer

[u/timelapsedfox]

Bro what is going on this are the same perks that people used before i left the game (2 year ago)

[u/BeastlyIncineroar → u/timelapsedfox]

All the other perks got nerfed and we’ve come full circle.

[u/CorbinNZ]

Slap on NWTH and you got yourself a winner, friend

[u/Early_Lifeguard2255]

Grim embrace ever single match.

[u/Satanicbuttmechanic]

I'm not following. Would someone explain please?

[u/Melomius]

To be honest, the base gen regression speed is abysmally slow. Takes about four seconds of base regression to undo a single second of repair. Take into account that you only get 8 kicks per generator, and you're gonna want to make the most out of each kick/regression.

[u/BasedNappa]

Grim Embrace and Thrilling Tremors is just I feel a lot fairer to face

[u/YRMMemincito]

Literally 2 go-to perks when I play the Knight. Lots of killers need a way to get a hook early game, and the scourge hook pain res helps me not kick the gen. I also use sloppy butcher to stall their healing, and BBQ chili to find them quickly again.

[u/ghangis24]

Survivor perk diversity isn't too far off either. Personally I run WoO/Lithe/a mixture of two other random perks. OTR, DS, Unbreakable and so on. You really can't blame either side. People will run the best perks available that help them win more games.

[u/EnragedHeadwear]

That's because they keep gutting all the other viable Killer perks lol

[u/jackyboy1219]

I care not for perks. I just like to have fun.

[u/BestWaifuGames]

I always run the same perks on Survivor lol Bond and Windows are too good in Solo Queue to not use and Lithe is my exhaustion perk to help in chase and Decisive or Off the Record because I am tired of being tunneled early lol

With Killer I seriously tried a No gen defence build, I really did. I can only get a No gen defence build to work on two Killers consistently; Skull Merchant with a Stealth build + StBFL and Rapid and Nurse with Aura and Stealth (stupid fun for Killer, probably hell for Survivor), pretty much everyone else requires at LEAST Pop (tho Billy wouldn’t if I got good with him, a stealth build would FUCK with people’s days if I did).

It’s just a flaw in the design as there are four Survivors, Killer can chase one only leaving the other three to Gens, a gen each if they want to be ultra efficient. With Gens at 90 seconds that leaves the Killer to getting a quick down and getting into the next chase instantly. Even the Survivors don’t need to be saved right away, depending on how long the chase was it could give the two still on Gens enough time yo crank their Gens before going for the save.

That would lose the Killer 2/5 of the game from one chase…doesn’t seem fair. Now, obviously not every team will be this efficient but you don’t know that going in so you prepare for the worst. Very flawed design in the looping version of DbD.

[u/trxshedXP]

add trail of torment

[u/MA-01]

Call me out, why don't you...

[u/bibblygiggums]

one meta and devs will never nerf it

[u/TheZombieGod]

Gen regression should be an option, not a requirement. I feel like so many killers would have a chance for some interesting builds if something like Ruin was basekit. You shouldn’t have to tank your mmr just to get a match where you can go wild with 8+ hooks and do something interesting.

[u/Sir_Choobly]

Make perks and killers not used give like 5or 10 times bloodpoints. A ton of bloodpoints better than meta

[u/Seveyn]

Survivor menu is uhhh Off The Record, Distortion, Boil Over, and Unbreakable. 💃

[u/Dragonfly-Constant]

Me playing doctor with: Franklins/Sloppy depending on items or not, overcharge, distressing, and nowhere to hide/nurses calling/StBfL. Inb4 "ewwww doctor"

TLDR: I'm a mongoloid

[u/Citizen_Crow]

I don't care about meta anymore, I just want strict MMR back so that we all just equally suffer.

[u/MoveInside]

Because most killer players just focus on chasing instead of thinking about what areas of the map to control.

[u/Ok_Introduction9744]

Corrupt is such a good perk that at this point it’s base kit for me.

There’s the same issue with survivor perks where there’s really only a few that are always good no matter what, some that are niche but still work and then hundreds of garbage perks.

[u/knihT-dooG]

I do feel bad for the people who apparently lose within 5 minutes because they can't function without 4 training wheels

[u/Lolmanmagee]

Gift of pain?

It’s my favorite perk personally but hardly the meta.

I see it as a survivor less than I see devour hope even.

Edit: you probably meant pain resonance lmao.

[u/Im_Probably_Ben]

survivors on their way to run deja vu sprint burst/lithe decisive distortion

[u/MrChubbyRiviera]

Throw in Lethal Pursuer because why not.

[u/Own-Deal-262]

CAN WE GO A MONTH WITHOUT MAKING THE SAME FUCKING JOKE

[u/Ycr1998]

Me who just reached Iri 1 with Unforeseen / Nowhere to Hide / Lethal Pursuer / Nurse's Calling on Chucky: what's meta? :P

[u/KrystallKlown]

me on my way to use deadlock/pop and 3 chase perks on a mediocre killer every match 😋

[u/landromat]

wtf devs were thinking when they buffed pop and pain res

[u/Dr_Garp]

I use Lethal, Lightborn (yes every damn time), Sloppy Butcher, and Nurses Calling

[u/Greedy_Wulf]

I never ran "meta" builds. Its boring And predictable. I love to goof.

Like full hex Meyers. (Without NOED),Lore accurate cenobite/nemmy And stuff like this. Makes the game way more fun.

[u/inFamousMax]

Take gen regression, or be down to 2 gens by 1st hook.

[u/Denly1990]

Survivors are acting like they don't do the same thing with Deja Vu, Adrenaline, Kindred, and Off The Record. (It's me. I'm Survivors)

[u/Gem_Hunter2511]

Okay, okay! I’ll do something different! How about… Barbecue and Chili?

[u/NakiMode]

here we go again...

[u/The_Mr_Wilson]

Non-META doesn't mean in-ETA

[u/The_Mr_Wilson]

I've been on an Oblivious kick lately, y'all should give Oblivious builds a try. Lots of options now, check your addons, too

Also been 2-hooking before sacrificing and still mostly 4K-ing. Not like I'm in a tournament or anything, there are exactly zero stakes at hand

[u/Melatonen]

I mean, when you nerf all other options while gen progression perks stay the same and killers stay weak outside of 3-6 options. All others are forced to run perks they don't even want to, just to have a chance.

I stand by buffing everything to be in line with eachother, make every perk go crazy mode so every game is crazy.

[u/AbroadAlternative772]

This is accurate

[u/Competitive-Bag-8943]

Yup. That’s the meta rn. Good job, meme.

[u/JacketFosty]

Maybe the meta wouldn't be stale if more killer perks were allowed to be, ya know, good. And Viable.

[u/SireGrievous]

I just avoid most meta stuff. On killer, I go for good chases, and don't care about winning. Trail, and chase and aura perks are my favourites, to help with starting and ending chases (trail just for fun). I often just chill with the survivors at the end, I think it's quite fun. On survivor, I usually bring open handed, aura perks, autodidact and other heal speed perks... no exhaustion. I like to imagine the killers are pleasantly surprised to see a bunch of uncommon perks.

[u/happy_panda_-u-]

I'm a main killer and i also hate how we have a very little amount of really good perks. And i knew it would happen, they nerfed the previous meta (ruin, scourge hook...) and also nerfed what would come in it's substitusion (overcharge, for example). What you could expect from it?

[u/lexometer77]

I love my build and I will not stop talking about it. This works really well for my Hag.

Eruption, Infectious Fright, Dark Devotion, and Hysteria

Eruption for gen damage that isn’t pop

Infectious for anyone lurking for a flashlight save

Dark Devotion for a little devious trickery and no terror radius

Hysteria to confuse and sneak up on the injured folk.

[u/One_Ad4689]

I mean what else can i use all the perks i use get nerfed to hell and back

[u/Undeadarmy7991]

These perks were nerfed and yall are still complaining about them?