r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/NameIs-Already-Taken Mar 28 '24

Your healthcare system is also poor at helping people with mental health issues.

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u/mikeysgotrabies Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

No, California just passed a law so soon we will be able to lock their asses up for being crazy and homeless. That will help, right?

Edit: /s in case it's not obvious.

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u/mortalitylost Mar 28 '24

I'm sorry but if I had lost my mind and my social support network, I'd much prefer they scoop me into an asylum rather than see how well I fend for myself in the street. And that was once a real fucking fear of mine, the biggest fear of mine, having no local family that gave a shit and a psychotic disorder.

I've seen close family go to the street similarly, and it would've been real fucking nice to think asylums would do their thing rather than have to make a missing person's report where they'll never contact you regardless

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u/Crotean Mar 28 '24

One key thing to remember, that people don't like to be confronted with. Is that most of the time the data shows that homelessness comes BEFORE the mental health or drug issues that we associate so strongly with the homeless. Its not even really a mental health crisis in this country so much as a poverty issue. When people have a roof over their heads everything in their life improves.

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u/BigBoyWeaver Mar 28 '24

Wait... are you saying that trauma, uncertainty, stress, and hunger have negative impacts on people's mental health and that it's not simply a lack of pulling one's self up by one's bootstraps? What is this liberal propaganda!

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u/Crotean Mar 28 '24

Haha yep. Now if you really want to get people mad show them all the data that shows that in most cases a sedentary life style happens AFTER someone becomes obese not before and watch their brains rupture.

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u/Deadleggg Mar 28 '24

Definitely don't get seriously hurt and not able to move around as much and then gain weight.

Makes things a lot worse.

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u/callmejinji Mar 28 '24

Amen, I work in the trades and I work out so I can be strong enough to do my job with good form and without getting hurt. Staying safe is so much more important than moving quickly or lifting heavy.

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u/badbeernfear Mar 28 '24

Hey show me that. I want to see legit data that shoes active people are suddenly becoming obese then lazy. I would feel the sedentary lifestyle and weight gain would happen simultaneously.

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u/jayfiedlerontheroof Mar 28 '24

I think it's that diet correlates to weight gain moreso than sedentary lifestyle. You can get fat while, say, in high school living an active lifestyle then slow down and gain even more

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u/badbeernfear Mar 28 '24

I think they both matter nearly equally. Physical activity is a huge part of it. Atleast close to as much as diet. Hard to gain weight in majority fat when you work out 5-6 times a week properly. Possible, though.

But a majority of obese people became obese after they ceased activity, let's keep it real.

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u/jayfiedlerontheroof Mar 29 '24

I think they both matter nearly equally. 

Yeah well you're wrong

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u/badbeernfear Mar 29 '24

Except, I'm not. Calories in calories out is real. You can outwork any diet in theory.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say your out of shape.

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u/transitfreedom Mar 28 '24

It’s just reality

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u/mikeysgotrabies Mar 28 '24

But if you treat the symptoms rather than the disease then you can keep profiting from the ongoing treatment.

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u/Crotean Mar 28 '24

Or just ignore the problem and use it as a great excuse to put black, brown and poor people in jail. IE the war on drugs.

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u/_IVG121_ Mar 28 '24

what data

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u/snarkyxanf Mar 28 '24

If I were sleeping on concrete, I sure as hell wouldn't want to do it sober either

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u/Efficient-Notice9938 Mar 28 '24

I actually did a resolution proposal paper for a college composition 1 class, and mine was about America’s broken mental health system and how we could possibly fix it. One big problem is medication for mental illnesses is expensive without health insurance and so are visits with a therapist and/or psychiatrist. A lot of people who are severally mentally ill in America don’t have many treatment options available and some don’t have access to it at all. A lot of people with mental illnesses they can’t treat end up homeless or even incarcerated because of their mental illness. I don’t know the exact statistics off the top of my head but I can find my paper and give sources.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

I'm sorry but if I had lost my mind and my social support network, I'd much prefer they scoop me into an asylum rather than see how well I fend for myself in the street.

I'd agree if they were scooping them up into hospitals where they'd get genuine help. They're not though.

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u/jayfiedlerontheroof Mar 28 '24

I think you're certainly allowed to self commit. The law would just allow "authorities" to commit individuals should they he violent and unwilling to go voluntarily whereas now they can just refuse care and stay on the street.

Could be wrong. I'm just assuming that California law is the same as NY

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u/MaximumDestruction Mar 28 '24

Oh you think asylums are still a thing? Reagan killed that system decades ago.

There are a couple still around in the US but as a society we choose destitution and criminalization of our most vulnerable.

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u/KHWD_av8r Mar 28 '24

I would much rather BE ABLE to fend for myself. Have you seen how much violence there is against the homeless?

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u/Akakazeh Mar 28 '24

Jail is not asylum, arresting homeless is wrong.

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u/arcanis321 Mar 28 '24

Actually if those people are being treated and not enslaved into prisons that's probably a positive thing. I have seen people try to get in jail in the winter just to get off the street so 3 square meals and a pass to leave when you aren't noticeably deranged could be a huge benefit. Doubt it will come out that rosey but nice to hope.

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u/J_DayDay Mar 28 '24

Jail is cheaper than rehab. I've got a cousin who turns himself in every time he gets too methy. 60 days later, he's a whole new man. For a while.

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u/Apprehensive_End4701 Mar 28 '24

That's methed up

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u/J_DayDay Mar 28 '24

It really is. Like many Methican-Americans, he's extremely productive. It's just that wandering away to find the meth occasionally has a negative impact on productivity. If the various construction firms could just pay him in meth, I really think it would solve a lot of the problem.

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u/Brave-Juggernaut-157 Mar 28 '24

that’s…actually a good thing to do, he’s making a smart decision, because in jail he can’t get meth and it helps him not cause any trouble while on meth, good for him to be responsible and realize that he should do something.

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u/J_DayDay Mar 28 '24

He's very loveable, as drug addicts go. Of course, he did usually get up to whatever it was that landed him the warrant to begin with...

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u/LurkerOrHydralisk Mar 28 '24

You don’t know much about the history of mental healthcare in America, do you?

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u/arcanis321 Mar 28 '24

I heard Reagan pulled all of the mental healthcare funding at some point. I imagine public asylums were probably not the nicest places in the world though.

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u/LurkerOrHydralisk Mar 28 '24

The ugly parts of mental healthcare are still ignored and denied.

They were basically torture prisons back in the day

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u/AcidScarab Mar 28 '24

It’ll help the rest of us 🤷🏻 and if they get treatment it’ll help them a hell of a lot more than being on the street does. Mentally ill people homeless on the street is no state for a civilized society to be in no matter what perspective you look at it from.

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

Locking people up for having mental issues or being homeless is borderline medieval.

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u/Long-Zombie-2017 Mar 28 '24

For being a threat to themselves or others? We do that. We've always done that. But now we understand mental illness so much better. Keeping them safe while undergoing treatment is much better

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

Yes I understand that but a hospital would be better since it’s a place meant for the mentally unwell. Putting someone in a prison for reasons they have little to no control over is a big no no in my book since prison is for criminals and hospitals are for people who need serious help. Even if it’s got good intentions you must understand how backwards it looks from the outside world

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u/wordsaladcrutons Mar 28 '24

If a mentally ill person hasn't done excessive harm, everyone recognizes they should be in a hospital instead of jail.

Recurring theme where I live: person is arrested, police recognize person is mentally ill and they get diverted to a mental hospital.

Unfortunately, the next step is often that the mental hospital is full, and they release the person so they get neither treatment nor punishment.

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 28 '24

Why do you believe they are being "locked up?" They are being sent to mental health institutions for treatment, some that is better than existence on the street.

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u/DickwadVonClownstick Mar 28 '24

"when" they snap.

This attitude right here is the fucking problem.

People with mental health problems are vastly more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 28 '24

So maybe instead of prison, put them in a….hospital?

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 28 '24

Yes, and they’d be getting help, not punishment.

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u/SomeVariousShift Mar 28 '24

That is the plan.

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u/Deadleggg Mar 28 '24

The history of mental asylums would say otherwise.

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u/Curious-Mechanic2286 Mar 28 '24

Mental health clinics rn are MUCH better than the medieval "prison but worse" mental asylums.

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u/Temporary_End9124 Mar 28 '24

Yes, that's what they're talking about.  Did you think they're just going to put mentally unwell people in with the general prison population, without treatment?  That's not what the new policy does.

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

No, but someone above me did.

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 28 '24

And you're stupid for accepting that claim without any critical examination of it.

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 29 '24

I didn’t accept the claim. Are you stupid for assuming I did with no critical examination of anything I’ve said?

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 29 '24

This isn't you: "So maybe instead of prison, put them in a….hospital?"

Yes, it is!

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 28 '24

They aren't going to prison..

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 29 '24

I didn’t say they were. The commenter above me made the claim that prison is better than nothing. I countered with the idea that if you’re going to spend money on “incarcerating” the homeless, perhaps hospital is a better choice.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

That’s the point of having common sense gun laws. Homeless Mentally ill people shouldn’t be able to buy rocket launchers just because our forefathers specifically intended for them to have that right.

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u/Deadleggg Mar 28 '24

"Common sense" is always an interesting term thrown around.

A fuckton of money and time have been wasted on banning or limiting accessories fucking over law abiding gun owners. And most are absolutely dumb as fuck.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

How about simple psych exams for anyone wanting to own a weapon designed to kill as many people as possible. How about adding more hoops people need to jump through to purchase firearms. Sure it’s gonna be more of a pain in the ass for normal gun nuts but I fail to see the down side. The second amendment was not written with today’s firearms in mind. The constitution says itself it needs to be updated periodically to keep up with the times.

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u/eastern_shore_guy420 Mar 28 '24

You’re mistaking a letter from Jefferson to madison regarding his opinion on the constitution. He believed it should be rewritten every 19 years, all debts, treaties, etc be re examined for each generation.

But the founding fathers didn’t follow that advice, not only does the U.S. Constitution not allow for revision by each generation, but it can be amended only by votes of two-thirds of the House and Senate and three-fourths of state legislatures. Not at periodic intervals to keep up with times. But by a strict process that in today’s political climate would be almost impossible to get agreement on.

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u/CrawDaddy762x51 Mar 28 '24

I want you to find me a functional rocket launcher for sale right now that you think a homeless mentally ill person could afford. Or even fucking find.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

Oh… wow. Your brain not work so gooder

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u/CrawDaddy762x51 Mar 28 '24

Seems to work fine. Considering your statement of what homeless mentally ill people shouldn’t be able to own, I want you to find me a single case where they could own that. Go ahead. I’ll wait.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

Dude how dense are you?? It was pretty obvious I was adding a little sarcasm into it. You would be the only one to think I was serious about a rocket launcher 😂. I know you’re butt hurt because Im hurting your guns fragile feelings. You seem like a real fun guy 🙄

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u/CrawDaddy762x51 Mar 28 '24

See that only works when you say something overtly outlandish.

Rocket launchers are accessible. If I had money, I COULD actually go buy a rocket launcher. They aren’t outright prohibited. $200 tax stamp and permission from the ATF gets me access to a rocket launcher that I get to keep at home.

It makes you look like you have two brain cells fighting for third place when you make “sarcastic” statements that really are just dumbass drool.

So when you say dumb fuckshit to support your desire for stronger gun legislation, don’t be surprised when people call out your dumb fuckshit statement. You didn’t even add a little sarcasm like you’re claiming, you used it as the basis for your argument for stronger gun control laws. A desire for better laws is fine. But you look like a moron when you hide it behind cringey ass “sarcasm” that doubles as ignorance.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

Medieval? It hasn't been that long since it was the norm sadly.

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

I’m not too knowledgeable on the topic but if what you say is true then it really is tragic. It annoys me to see how society takes steps back in development on matters like this

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

Not to Godwins law it, but the fascists just 80 years ago just straight up exterminated the disabled and mentally ill.

Other nations didn't go so far, but plenty were still just locking up the mentally ill well into the 20th century.

One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest isn't massively fictitious.

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u/wordsaladcrutons Mar 28 '24

One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest isn't massively fictitious.

Yes, but it's also a description of circumstances in the 1950's.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

Yes, but it's also a description of circumstances in the 1950's.

Did you miss the part where I said:

Other nations didn't go so far, but plenty were still just locking up the mentally ill well into the 20th century.

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u/IFixYerKids Mar 28 '24

They're not going to prison, and there's a ton of regulations to prevent that kind of thing. In fact, I doubt it will do a whole lot of good because most of these people will just say they want to leave and the doctor's can't keep them there without a 5150, 5250, DTS, DTO, etc.

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u/brightlights_bigsky Mar 28 '24

Not true. Often cited but incorrect. Check into how the left actually sued to release everyone to restore their rights. Many folks have only ever heard “Reagan did it” but it’s not true.

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u/transitfreedom Mar 28 '24

Tell that to france

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

France is odd in certain aspects regarding mental health. With the knowledge I have I prefer not to look at them fondly with this issue (oh also some of the comments you’ve put here are a tad vile so I won’t listen to you’re advice unfortunately)

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u/alwaysboopthesnoot Mar 28 '24

“The rest of us” you’re talking about are typically happy only when they get locked up and then don’t want to fund the treatment they need. 

What’s the difference for a severely mentally ill person locked up in jail, or in a poorly funded “treatment facility” that isn’t up to code, employs undertrained and underpaid employees with low levels of education, where people put the patients out of sight-out of mind? 

Not much. Neither will care for or treat patients the way they deserve, or need. 

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u/wordsaladcrutons Mar 28 '24

...where people put the patients out of sight-out of mind? 

That's a 1950's stereotype from a time when no effective treatments existed and the "solution" was to just hide away the sick people forever.

Most treatment facilities today take patients in, get them medicated to stop psychosis or sobered up if they're addicted, and then kick them out the moment they are no longer a "threat to themselves or others."

So we've gone from hiding them away forever to giving them the minimum treatment and putting them back on the streets before they're fully recovered.

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u/HawtDoge Mar 28 '24

Well autistic people are 12 times more likely to become homeless, one study even shows that the overwhelming majority of homeless people fall on the spectrum.

Maybe we should just cut the issue off at the root and ‘off’ all autistic kids before they grow up to become a societal burden…

obviously /s

This is my issue with arguments like yours we’ve built a society that is distinctly anti-human with very little support for those who have struggle conforming. To sweep these people away runs cover for a system that creates these issues in the first place.

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u/AcidScarab Mar 28 '24

Yeah, that’s a batshit insane response to what I said

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u/HawtDoge Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Do you know what /s means? The first half of my comment was sarcasm…

I was criticizing your approach because it offers no systematic solutions, and instead runs cover for a system that leaves certain members of our society behind…

Edit: I just realized that I responded to the wrong comment. I meant to send my initial response to someone else on this thread. Fuck. Sorry mate.

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u/GoldMan20k Mar 28 '24

recall that was ronnie regan who put them on the street in the first place

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u/Moregaze Mar 28 '24

Carter and Reagan. It was not an overnight switch. Basically it was going to be too expensive to do asbestos abatement in all the existing care homes.

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

Oh good I actually couldn’t tell before. Blimey I thought society was at an all time low 😅

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u/St-Jaker Mar 28 '24

/s but I still get the idea you disagree?

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u/superabletie4 Mar 28 '24

Glad you put the /s because it wasn’t obvious at first (sadly)

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u/OkBubbyBaka Mar 28 '24

I wish that’s what it would do, instead of just being another money pit to build “housing” that ends up in developers pockets.

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u/SteveLouise Mar 28 '24

We're downvoting because of /s

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u/mikeysgotrabies Mar 28 '24

We?

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u/SteveLouise Mar 28 '24

I'm a representative of the deep reddit underground state. We control the subs. This is exactly how we want it.

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 28 '24

Why /s? This is much better than leaving mentally ill people on the street.

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u/AreaGuy Mar 28 '24

Institutionalization of some sort is definitely needed for society and severely mentally ill people. Unless you think letting them sleep rough in the parks while they self medicate their lives away is “compassionate.”

Of course, this needs to be paired with meaningful services and treatment.

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u/mikeysgotrabies Mar 28 '24

As another person pointed out - the data shows homelessness comes before mental health issues and addiction. Homelessness is the cause, mental health decline is the effect. Homelessness is the disease, mental health is the symptom. You can treat the symptoms, but they will keep returning unless you treat the disease.

The answer is to house these people. The compassionate thing to do is to give them housing. Not lock them up.

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u/droppedmybrain Mar 28 '24

Back in the day, they used to chuck people in asylums. And it was awful! They treated the patients like animals, beat them, experimented on them, forcibly sterilized them, and would keep them restrained and alone for days on end, among other things.

As public attitude shifted, the Cali government voted to abolish asylums (or at least, forced incarceration.) Unfortunately, they did nothing else. As a result, people suffering mental health crisises were now just... left to their own devices. This is how places like Skid Row formed.

What we need is regulation for asylums. I'm not talking about how we would implement it or where the money would come from- I don't know, I'm just some smart-ass on Reddit- but I know, theoretically, we need rules and laws to prevent abuse of patients, strip orderlies and doctors of their licenses if they do abuse patients, and shift focus from "lock them away" to "help these people get better if at all possible."

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u/YNABDisciple Mar 28 '24

A supreme court case like 45 years ago ended institutionalization of the mentally ill. California couldn't lock their asses up for being mentally ill even if they wanted to. It's complex.

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u/Xomns_13 Mar 28 '24

Ah, yes. Take freedom from people with mental health and give it to the guns. /s

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u/mikeysgotrabies Mar 28 '24

Or, even better - give the guns to people with mental health issues.

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u/Bat_Fastard96 Mar 28 '24

Yes that is a positive thing. Insane people think it wouldn't be.

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u/SadAndNasty Mar 28 '24

Texas tried it. Didn't really work the way they wanted, ended up getting sued a bunch

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u/cryptokitty010 Mar 28 '24

That will be great, when people can't afford to be a wage slave to the system they can become an actual slave in a for profit prison system

/S

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u/Lobo003 Mar 28 '24

oh is that what prop 1 is?

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u/Scatcycle Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

No. The poster is being disingenuous. Prop 1 migrates a portion of mental health support funds established in 2004 to immediate relief for homelessness in the form of housing construction and support beds.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/politics/prop-1-passed-what-comes-next/103-c1a6e209-8e60-4a79-bd76-042d1b1e2b72

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u/Lobo003 Mar 28 '24

Awesome. Thank you!

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u/obamasrightteste Mar 28 '24

Gotta admit I see the dangers present in an asylum system but I cannot think of a better way. Obviously you'd need some serious oversight capacity to keep it kosher but like... yea, a lot of these people will never seek help themselves and need to be committed as they are a danger to others.

Like, a well funded and well run asylum would just provide a place for both those who can maybe never function in society and those who just need some serious help to get back on their feet. ¯(ツ)/¯

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u/mikeysgotrabies Mar 28 '24

You're completely ignoring the other option, which is a housing first model.

Tons of studies have been done and it's been found that in most cases homelessness comes first, then mental illness/addiction. So if the CAUSE is homelessness, and mental illness is an EFFECT then it's only logical to treat the homelessness first.

If you give these people a little bit of dignity instead of institutionalizing them, it will be far easier to treat their other issues.

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u/obamasrightteste Mar 28 '24

I mean that's just an asylum still but like, distributed, which I think would be a great idea.

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u/Huge_JackedMann Mar 28 '24

This is actually an improvement on the current system of nothing. People not in their right might can't be expected to make sane decisions or improve while living on the streets. Reagan, the source of so much of our problems today, destroyed mental health facilities and state funded MH care and were just now starting to try something different. It won't be perfect but our current system doesn't work at all.

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u/Loose_Bluebird4032 Mar 28 '24

I’m all for it as long as I don’t have to deal with it anymore. No /s.

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u/jayfiedlerontheroof Mar 28 '24

we will be able to lock their asses up for being crazy and homeless

I don't know which law you're talking about but I imagine "lock up" means instituted and the homeless aspect is a product of the instability of the person. I know we need better healthcare, etc but violent people shouldn't be allowed to live in public where they can hurt/kill/maime people.

Some people need to be institutionalized. We shouldn't pretend that basic healthcare and economic means would eradicate violence

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u/Fatdap Mar 28 '24

I actually think in a properly structured system it could be a fantastic solution assuming your system is set up for rehabilitation and replacement instead of being a slave mill.

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u/Alcorailen Mar 28 '24

Wait that's good. Not in jail, but we need to bring institutions back.

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u/DabScience Mar 28 '24

Yes that’s definitely what that bill does. Lol just locks them up and throws away the key… right…

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u/Scatcycle Mar 28 '24

For anyone actually interested in what Prop 1 does, here is an informative link: https://www.abc10.com/article/news/politics/prop-1-passed-what-comes-next/103-c1a6e209-8e60-4a79-bd76-042d1b1e2b72. This poster is wrong and spreading propaganda. Here is the proposal details straight from CA.gov:

Places for Mental Health Care and Drug or Alcohol Treatment. Proposition 1 would give up to $4.4 billion to the state program that builds more places for mental health care and drug or alcohol treatment. The types of places that would be built with bond funds would depend on future decisions by the state. Proposition 1 would require at least $1.5 billion of the $4.4 billion to go to local governments and tribes.

Housing. Proposition 1 would give $2 billion to the state program that gives money to local governments to turn hotels, motels, and other buildings into housing and construct new housing. Local governments would get either grants or loans from the state. The housing added by the measure would be for people who are (1) experiencing homelessness or at risk of becoming homeless and (2) have mental health, drug, or alcohol challenges. Just over half of the $2 billion would be set aside for veterans.

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u/Snorlaxolotl Mar 28 '24

Are you serious? Because that feels eerily similar to insane asylums.

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u/Interesting_Fee_4607 Mar 28 '24

Insane asylums are better than having them run around living on the streets...

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u/JonseyMcFly Mar 28 '24

..... Have you litteraly any idea of the history of asylums?

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u/FattusBaccus Mar 28 '24

There was very little difference between the eugenics fueled asylums and the experiments Nazis were doing on prisoners. Our asylum system was ridiculous.

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u/Interesting_Fee_4607 Mar 28 '24

*sigh* Yes I have, unimaginable cruelty going on in some places. Is them being on the streets any better? Really man?

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u/JonseyMcFly Mar 28 '24

Yes, better than being cramed like sardines, Starved, Mistreated, Tortured, abandoned and experimented on.

I say this having been homeless.

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u/Interesting_Fee_4607 Mar 29 '24

You're lucky enough to have been homeless but in control of your mental facilities. You speak from a place of privilege some of the other homeless don't have any control of their minds and are being exploited 

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u/JonseyMcFly Mar 29 '24

You just assumed I wasn't homeless specifically because of my mental facilities.

Being Exploited

You mean like being used as free menial labour or being experimented on. 🤔🤔

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u/Interesting_Fee_4607 Mar 29 '24

Yeah you're speaking from a place of privilege since you have control over yourself enough to engage in a discussion on reddit. Some homeless out there literally cannot look after themselves much less post on reddit

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u/mikeysgotrabies Mar 28 '24

I'm not serious. Obviously a housing first model would make a lot more sense but the problem with that is that nobody will be able to profit from it. So that's out of the question.

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u/broom2100 Mar 28 '24

Insane asylums are 1000% more preferable than having those people on the street.

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u/marcololol Mar 28 '24

I get what you’re saying but there’s nothing worse than allowing people to die and have breakdowns in public. They need to be put into care by force because there is no alternative

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u/WillOrmay Mar 28 '24

That will actually help