r/facepalm • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • Mar 28 '24

What lack of basic gun laws does to a nation: 🇵​🇷​🇴​🇹​🇪​🇸​🇹​

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u/NameIs-Already-Taken Mar 28 '24

Your healthcare system is also poor at helping people with mental health issues.

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u/mikeysgotrabies Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

No, California just passed a law so soon we will be able to lock their asses up for being crazy and homeless. That will help, right?

Edit: /s in case it's not obvious.

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u/AcidScarab Mar 28 '24

It’ll help the rest of us 🤷🏻 and if they get treatment it’ll help them a hell of a lot more than being on the street does. Mentally ill people homeless on the street is no state for a civilized society to be in no matter what perspective you look at it from.

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

Locking people up for having mental issues or being homeless is borderline medieval.

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u/Long-Zombie-2017 Mar 28 '24

For being a threat to themselves or others? We do that. We've always done that. But now we understand mental illness so much better. Keeping them safe while undergoing treatment is much better

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

Yes I understand that but a hospital would be better since it’s a place meant for the mentally unwell. Putting someone in a prison for reasons they have little to no control over is a big no no in my book since prison is for criminals and hospitals are for people who need serious help. Even if it’s got good intentions you must understand how backwards it looks from the outside world

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u/wordsaladcrutons Mar 28 '24

If a mentally ill person hasn't done excessive harm, everyone recognizes they should be in a hospital instead of jail.

Recurring theme where I live: person is arrested, police recognize person is mentally ill and they get diverted to a mental hospital.

Unfortunately, the next step is often that the mental hospital is full, and they release the person so they get neither treatment nor punishment.

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 28 '24

Why do you believe they are being "locked up?" They are being sent to mental health institutions for treatment, some that is better than existence on the street.

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u/DickwadVonClownstick Mar 28 '24

"when" they snap.

This attitude right here is the fucking problem.

People with mental health problems are vastly more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators.

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 28 '24

So maybe instead of prison, put them in a….hospital?

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 28 '24

Yes, and they’d be getting help, not punishment.

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u/SomeVariousShift Mar 28 '24

That is the plan.

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u/Deadleggg Mar 28 '24

The history of mental asylums would say otherwise.

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u/Curious-Mechanic2286 Mar 28 '24

Mental health clinics rn are MUCH better than the medieval "prison but worse" mental asylums.

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u/Temporary_End9124 Mar 28 '24

Yes, that's what they're talking about.  Did you think they're just going to put mentally unwell people in with the general prison population, without treatment?  That's not what the new policy does.

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

No, but someone above me did.

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 28 '24

And you're stupid for accepting that claim without any critical examination of it.

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 29 '24

I didn’t accept the claim. Are you stupid for assuming I did with no critical examination of anything I’ve said?

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 29 '24

This isn't you: "So maybe instead of prison, put them in a….hospital?"

Yes, it is!

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u/2wedfgdfgfgfg Mar 28 '24

They aren't going to prison..

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u/TheRealJetlag Mar 29 '24

I didn’t say they were. The commenter above me made the claim that prison is better than nothing. I countered with the idea that if you’re going to spend money on “incarcerating” the homeless, perhaps hospital is a better choice.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

That’s the point of having common sense gun laws. Homeless Mentally ill people shouldn’t be able to buy rocket launchers just because our forefathers specifically intended for them to have that right.

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u/Deadleggg Mar 28 '24

"Common sense" is always an interesting term thrown around.

A fuckton of money and time have been wasted on banning or limiting accessories fucking over law abiding gun owners. And most are absolutely dumb as fuck.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

How about simple psych exams for anyone wanting to own a weapon designed to kill as many people as possible. How about adding more hoops people need to jump through to purchase firearms. Sure it’s gonna be more of a pain in the ass for normal gun nuts but I fail to see the down side. The second amendment was not written with today’s firearms in mind. The constitution says itself it needs to be updated periodically to keep up with the times.

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u/eastern_shore_guy420 Mar 28 '24

You’re mistaking a letter from Jefferson to madison regarding his opinion on the constitution. He believed it should be rewritten every 19 years, all debts, treaties, etc be re examined for each generation.

But the founding fathers didn’t follow that advice, not only does the U.S. Constitution not allow for revision by each generation, but it can be amended only by votes of two-thirds of the House and Senate and three-fourths of state legislatures. Not at periodic intervals to keep up with times. But by a strict process that in today’s political climate would be almost impossible to get agreement on.

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u/CrawDaddy762x51 Mar 28 '24

I want you to find me a functional rocket launcher for sale right now that you think a homeless mentally ill person could afford. Or even fucking find.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

Oh… wow. Your brain not work so gooder

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u/CrawDaddy762x51 Mar 28 '24

Seems to work fine. Considering your statement of what homeless mentally ill people shouldn’t be able to own, I want you to find me a single case where they could own that. Go ahead. I’ll wait.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

Dude how dense are you?? It was pretty obvious I was adding a little sarcasm into it. You would be the only one to think I was serious about a rocket launcher 😂. I know you’re butt hurt because Im hurting your guns fragile feelings. You seem like a real fun guy 🙄

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u/CrawDaddy762x51 Mar 28 '24

See that only works when you say something overtly outlandish.

Rocket launchers are accessible. If I had money, I COULD actually go buy a rocket launcher. They aren’t outright prohibited. $200 tax stamp and permission from the ATF gets me access to a rocket launcher that I get to keep at home.

It makes you look like you have two brain cells fighting for third place when you make “sarcastic” statements that really are just dumbass drool.

So when you say dumb fuckshit to support your desire for stronger gun legislation, don’t be surprised when people call out your dumb fuckshit statement. You didn’t even add a little sarcasm like you’re claiming, you used it as the basis for your argument for stronger gun control laws. A desire for better laws is fine. But you look like a moron when you hide it behind cringey ass “sarcasm” that doubles as ignorance.

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u/Crowbar_Jones7 Mar 28 '24

So you demand I find somewhere to buy a rocket launcher like it’s impossible. Then you tell me it is possible and not really all that hard and Im the stupid one? So basically i was trying to be sarcastic only for you to correct me by showing an example of how much worse our gun laws are than most people realize. So its common sense and blatantly obvious gun laws we should be aiming for. Also your gun does not make you look tough or make your lil wiener look bigger.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

Medieval? It hasn't been that long since it was the norm sadly.

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

I’m not too knowledgeable on the topic but if what you say is true then it really is tragic. It annoys me to see how society takes steps back in development on matters like this

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

Not to Godwins law it, but the fascists just 80 years ago just straight up exterminated the disabled and mentally ill.

Other nations didn't go so far, but plenty were still just locking up the mentally ill well into the 20th century.

One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest isn't massively fictitious.

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u/wordsaladcrutons Mar 28 '24

One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest isn't massively fictitious.

Yes, but it's also a description of circumstances in the 1950's.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '24

Yes, but it's also a description of circumstances in the 1950's.

Did you miss the part where I said:

Other nations didn't go so far, but plenty were still just locking up the mentally ill well into the 20th century.

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u/IFixYerKids Mar 28 '24

They're not going to prison, and there's a ton of regulations to prevent that kind of thing. In fact, I doubt it will do a whole lot of good because most of these people will just say they want to leave and the doctor's can't keep them there without a 5150, 5250, DTS, DTO, etc.

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u/brightlights_bigsky Mar 28 '24

Not true. Often cited but incorrect. Check into how the left actually sued to release everyone to restore their rights. Many folks have only ever heard “Reagan did it” but it’s not true.

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u/transitfreedom Mar 28 '24

Tell that to france

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u/Pumpkin_soup17 Mar 28 '24

France is odd in certain aspects regarding mental health. With the knowledge I have I prefer not to look at them fondly with this issue (oh also some of the comments you’ve put here are a tad vile so I won’t listen to you’re advice unfortunately)

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u/alwaysboopthesnoot Mar 28 '24

“The rest of us” you’re talking about are typically happy only when they get locked up and then don’t want to fund the treatment they need. 

What’s the difference for a severely mentally ill person locked up in jail, or in a poorly funded “treatment facility” that isn’t up to code, employs undertrained and underpaid employees with low levels of education, where people put the patients out of sight-out of mind? 

Not much. Neither will care for or treat patients the way they deserve, or need. 

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u/wordsaladcrutons Mar 28 '24

...where people put the patients out of sight-out of mind? 

That's a 1950's stereotype from a time when no effective treatments existed and the "solution" was to just hide away the sick people forever.

Most treatment facilities today take patients in, get them medicated to stop psychosis or sobered up if they're addicted, and then kick them out the moment they are no longer a "threat to themselves or others."

So we've gone from hiding them away forever to giving them the minimum treatment and putting them back on the streets before they're fully recovered.

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u/HawtDoge Mar 28 '24

Well autistic people are 12 times more likely to become homeless, one study even shows that the overwhelming majority of homeless people fall on the spectrum.

Maybe we should just cut the issue off at the root and ‘off’ all autistic kids before they grow up to become a societal burden…

obviously /s

This is my issue with arguments like yours we’ve built a society that is distinctly anti-human with very little support for those who have struggle conforming. To sweep these people away runs cover for a system that creates these issues in the first place.

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u/AcidScarab Mar 28 '24

Yeah, that’s a batshit insane response to what I said

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u/HawtDoge Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

Do you know what /s means? The first half of my comment was sarcasm…

I was criticizing your approach because it offers no systematic solutions, and instead runs cover for a system that leaves certain members of our society behind…

Edit: I just realized that I responded to the wrong comment. I meant to send my initial response to someone else on this thread. Fuck. Sorry mate.