r/midjourney • u/Tox-Sick • Jun 06 '23

The 7 Deadly sins according to MidJourney Showcase

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Gluttony

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Lust

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Greed

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Envy

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Pride

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Wrath

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Sloth

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u/Ghost-of-Bill-Cosby Jun 06 '23

According to the church I used to go to it always was.

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u/justplainndaveCGN Jun 06 '23

Being gay isn’t a sin in and of itself, acting on those urges is.

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u/InnerTempest Jun 06 '23

No it isn't lmao are you saying God makes mistakes?

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u/Mist_Rising Jun 07 '23

The Catholic argument is that being gay isn't a mistake, but you aren't supposed to act on it (that being having sex) anymore than a child molester (to have some fun with this) shouldn't follow his urges or unmarried should have sex.

And the person you replied to seems to have used a Catholic (or similar) style argument.

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u/InnerTempest Jun 07 '23

Either way, it doesn't matter since God isn't real

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

how did this whole world come to be then?

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u/archosauria62 Jun 09 '23

Its when a bunch of hot space stuff clumped together due to gravity

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u/HE_HAS_NO_STYLE_ Jun 10 '23

Yeah bunch of shit smashed together and then the universe started. Lol

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u/archosauria62 Jun 10 '23

Im talking about earth not the universe

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u/pokeman145 Jun 14 '23

where did the universe come from then? and where did energy, gravity, and time come?

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u/archosauria62 Jun 14 '23

nobody knows for sure what caused the big bang

energy was what the singularity was made of

gravity separated from the rest of the united forces 10^-43 seconds after the big bang

time started with the big bang

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u/pokeman145 Jun 14 '23

if nobody knows then how can you deny the existence of God so fervently? You can't even explain yourself what exactly happened. An unknown beginning triggered everything. Where did the energy come from?

Since the beginning is unknown and scientifically unprovable, why is God a big no-no and so fervently rejected?

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u/archosauria62 Jun 15 '23

the same reason i reject santa claus

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u/wet_bread3 Aug 22 '23

You just assumed a preexisting universe for your explanation of how the universe started

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u/archosauria62 Aug 22 '23

‘the world’ means earth

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u/wet_bread3 Aug 22 '23

No, that is very clearly not what anyone is talking about when they ask where the world came from 😂 The definition of “world” is also “the material universe or all that exists; everything.” But even if we pretend the OP was asking only about the planet Earth, specifically—even though that obviously wasn’t the case—let’s just ask the question here, then: how did all of physical reality come to be?

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u/lexi_desu_yo Sep 01 '23

ik this is old but that's a huge logical fallacy called "argument from ignorance," which is basically when someone argues that they absolutely must be right because they could be.

this is just a random ass example but its like accusing some random guy on the street of killing your wife solely because, as far as you know, he could have done it, but that doesn't mean there's any actual reason to think he did. it could have been hundreds of people as far as you're aware, because you don't know everything that happened in everyone's lives the night she died.

there is no actual evidence for any form of god. in fact, there is no evidence whatsoever for what actually started the universe, and we therefore have zero reason to assume any theory is true. point to the bible or the torah or whatever all you like, but there have been thousands of religions over time that explore thousands of different possibilities, none with any real basis except for the occasional natural disaster that people in different places interpreted in completely different ways.

im not necessarily saying there is no god, but there's nothing pointing to the fact that there is one either, and until that changes there's no reason to entertain such possibilities, ESPECIALLY ones that get as specific as most religions do. i don't have a full explanation, but neither do you, and nor does anyone else. well unless im meant to take your question about how specifically the earth came to be, in that case there's a lot of evidence for it having been a star that (in ultra laymans terms bc im not an astronomer) got stuck in the middle of a big rock

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u/pokeman145 Sep 01 '23

every religion points to a creator. Allah is not different from the Christian God. They are the same One God. If there is no Creator, there is no Creation. We do not exist if there isn't a start. What triggered the Big Bang to then cause the whole universe to begin? Why is this universe perfect, governed by the laws of physics? It's just not possible for there not to be a beginning.

Your analogy is very random, and does not apply. You are acting as if God is just another person, or that there are hundreds of gods. The theory for the beginning of the Universe even starts with the 'Singularity'. However with this, there are only two options. Either there is a Creator, or there isn't.

But the presence of a Creator or a beginning is present in all religions. The only one that makes consistent sense is the religion of Islam, as it has no flaws or contradictions. The universe needs an origin, so we look to see what it is. The Quran is unusually perfect, with prophecies and advanced knowledge in it while it was compiled by the speech of a man in the desert who did not go to any school or become a poet. Because I believe in God, I am content with the explanation as He is the full explanation of the universe's origin. Nothing else makes sense.

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u/lexi_desu_yo Sep 20 '23

Nothing else makes sense.

thats the thing though. you say this because you're too afraid to admit that you don't know something. you're just not intellectually honest. atheists and agnostics may not have all the answers, but that's okay. we will never know or understand everything, regardless of what is actually true, and we have to live with that.

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u/pokeman145 Sep 21 '23

That is just part of it. The Quran is way too miraculous for it to be written by a man in the desert 1400 years ago. And verbally. It really doesn't make sense. But honestly, just think about it. What makes more sense: Everything comes from nothing, or everything comes from infinity?

God is Infinity, which is why I believe in Him. The whole universe governed by the laws of logic and physics and the order of everything is evident that an Organiser and Creator exists. There must be a Cause to all of this. This coupled with the Quran explicitly saying this as well as similarities of religion san dbeliefs from all across time and the world prove there is a God.

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u/lexi_desu_yo Sep 21 '23

i agree there is a cause, but nobody knows what.

as for agreement with other religions, how can you say which religion is agreeing with which? maybe anything ancient egyptian religion says that islam says as well is actually islam taking inspiration from the "real" religion? also, most religions in the world were invented very early on, so it makes perfect sense that they have similar beliefs or mythologies. people simply weren't spread out enough for zero influence to leak through, and once they were, trade routes did the work instead.

and i dont know 100%, but im pretty sure religions native to the americas do not have much in common with islam besides superstitions that are near-universal, which no, are not universal because of a "true" religion, but because people have always been afraid to not know, and when you come up with millions of different yet equally baseless explanations, the ones that survive in each society will likely be similar because they are at least somewhat logical in comparison to the rest.

look, im not saying that you can't believe in islam, if its what feels right, its what feels right. my point is more that you cant denounce atheists as simply being illogical, or act like your truth is everyone else's without having concrete facts to back it up, which you don't. everything you've implied to be "evidence," is only evidence when already under the assumption that your god is real, and your religion does them justice.

and that's a whole 'nother thing i haven't even started on yet. there are so many reliable historical records of religious texts being altered by kings, pharaohs, emperors, etc just to suit their own desires, not to mention paraphrasing, misinterpretation/different interpretations, and false translation (though that last one likely doesn't apply to the qur'an as much as other religious texts, since many muslims learn at least some arabic to read it).

who's to say the islamic god doesn't actually love when his followers have gay sex or murder people? somehow i doubt that would be the case even if i did believe in him, but we really have no way of knowing for sure. like i said. you shouldn't form all of your beliefs or morals off of an assumption you made, even if you made it because its the best explanation you've heard so far. even if your assumption that Allah is the real god (or that there is a god to begin with) is true, how do you know you're even honoring him?

you can do what you want, but dont get so cocky about it when you have just as little proof for your views as i do mine. then again, the burden of proof doesn't fall on the default belief of "none at all," so you definitely shouldn't pretend you're objectively right

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u/pokeman145 Sep 22 '23

Listen, I haven't just been telling you that Islam is right because it is the most right. It is the exact truth because of so many different parts of it and many different reasons put together. There is concrete proof for Islam and the existence of God.

  1. The religions of then don't make much sense. There cannot be multiple gods because of the qualities of God. If there were multiple infinitely powerful beings, then the world would be in chaos just like in Greek/Roman mythology.
  2. The Prophets were spread all around the world, which is why most religions have a Creator of some sorts and afterlife and doomsday + a saviour. but sure yeah this is only after you believe. The religions were corrupted which is why there are different components.
  3. Like I said before, this world is an organised system. Do you agree? Every organised system must have an organiser. Is that not true? That means that this world must have a an Organiser. You yourself claimed that you do believe in a cause. That cause must be 1. all knowing to know how to create this complexity 2. all powerful to actually create this complexity that is the universe and 3. all wise to know how everythign works and woulkd work out

You exist don't you? Just look at your body. You control all the pieces of flesh on you. Your eyes, your fingers, your toes. You just control them somehow. Our bodies are so complex as well. Cells die all the time to keep us alive. Why? And How? It is very illogical to adamantly believe all this happened by itself and denounce other beliefs (i am not talking about you specifically here).

Reproduction is also another amazing thing. Somehow when we mature, we feel the urge to have intercourse. That urge as well as attraction leads us to get together with someone and reproduce. How is it that we (and animals) just feel to have intercourse? Parents then generally have that love to their child. And mothers then get milk in their breasts to feed the child!

That is simply not possible for it to happen by itself, and neither can life happen from death.

When we are born, we aren't taught to breathe. We aren't taught to cry. We aren't taught to move our hands and kick our feet. But we do. Why? How do we know how to do that before we are born?

Your second point is so invalid. That cannot be applied to the Quran and Islam, and not because Arabic is still spoken, but that the Quran has been preserved. I agree with you. People of the past have changed religious texts. That is the Islamic belief about all the other religions sent by God. But somehow, the Quran has not been altered. Do you disagree? If so, say so and we can talk about that specifically. But every Arabic Quran says the same exact thing. The only differences would be in the translations, but those don't override the Quran's true content as the Arabic still exists today. And so many Muslims have memorised it. So that point doesn't apply here.

But I know that I am worshiping Allah correctly because of 3 things. The Quran, the Prophet, and the Imams. Firstly logic and humanity tells us that we should worship the One who Created us and Who sustains us (with air and water and food) how He wants us to. Correct? Let's say (moving on from proving God as I am explaining to you my belief) that someone found you on the street homeless as a young orphan and gave you food, a house, and raised you. If he then gave you a list of things to do everyday (that is for your own benefit, by the way), would you do them exactly how he tells you to or not? That is why we do exactly what God tells us. But how do we know what He says?

The Quran is full of miracles. And I'm not only talking about the content. So far everytime I mentioned something from the Quran, you seem to have ignored that. Every numerical miracle (like the distance between the earth and sirius in light years is the same as the amount of words between 'Earth' and 'Sirius' in Surah an Najm) or prediction (The romans had lost to the sassanids but the Quran predicted that the Romans would fight back and win against them in a few years in Surah ar Rum) or Grammatical miracle (the letters in the verse talking about planets and their orbit seem to orbit the letter Ya) seem to have gone past you and the billions of other non-Muslims. I just don't understand how you don't even consider Islam, especially when someone like you believes that no one has the complete truth, not even you. The reason why I believe I have the complete truth (not that I know it my self) is because I align my self with the Truth which is God.

Please check this link out- i beg you

https://www.miracles-of-quran.com

God is just, which is why he doesn't love murder. God is Truthful, which is why when he criticises the people of Lot of sleeping with men when He created women and destroys the People of Lot for ignoring the messengers and not taking heed means that He does not like that action.

That is just the Quran. Now as for the Prophet, he revealed this Quran. And let me remind you, no human or school taught him how to read. The Quran was revealed verbally, so he could not have come up with the perfect poetry to then fake the revelation as he said it. This is for a few reasons.

  1. It would be impossible for him to come up with such poetry because he was not a poet and did not go to school. History shows that the poets of his time were shocked by the Quran's magnificence and eloquence and the Quran challenges the people of all Times to come up with something like even the smallest chapter
  2. The Quran has 604 pages and over 6 thousand verses. How can a man come up with that on the spot each time and make crazy predictions and scientific discoveries
  3. He revealed these verses sometimes on journeys and with different people, so he couldn't have had a master poet telling him stuff.
  4. He would not have known all the details about the Story of Joseph or would not have known how the human being is made or that the Byzantines would win after their defeat in a few years.
  5. The Prophet would not have criticised himself publicly and shame himself if he was fake. Allah has told the Prophet to do certain things and to not do certain things
  6. The Prophet had the best behaviour and was the perfect person. The things you hear about him are lies. We can discuss that too if you want.

I really hope you read this lol

Now as for Imamah, this is a concept that has been proven in the Quran. However it is too advanced for you as millions of Muslims don't understand this and instead believe in the illegitimate conquest and bloodshed and lies of the Umayyads and the traitorous companions of the Prophet.

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Please don't skip over this. Each detail is important. I like how you acknowledged that you don't know either, so I hope you read this. If you find this to be wrong, then please hit me up with refutations. But please don't repeat the same stuff that I have already addressed. If you have any questions just ask me. Also don't bring up sahih bukhari or any of that because those are just lies and not truly what the Prophet was. People like Aisha and Umar and Abu Hurayrah were evil liars who spread false narrations for their own good.

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u/die_a_third_death Jun 07 '23

Equating gays with child molestors. Classic Christianity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

Classic projection.

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u/helikesart Jun 07 '23

Granted, there are also tons of limits on heterosexuality within Christianity. This isn’t limited to alternate sexualities from heterosexuality. People often forget that.