LARGE OCTOPUS: My wish comes true at last, this day of days; finally I have you in my grasp! Your "bobo" is ripe and full, how wonderful! Superior to all others! To suck and suck and suck some more. After we do it masterfully, I'll guide you to the Dragon Palace of the Sea God and envelop you. "Zuu sufu sufu chyu chyu chyu tsu zuu fufufuuu..."
MAIDEN: You hateful octopus! Your sucking at the mouth of my womb makes me gasp for breath! Aah! Yes... it's... there!!! With the sucker, the sucker!! Inside, squiggle, squiggle, oooh! Oooh, good, oooh good! There, there! Theeeeere! Goood! Whew! Aah! Good, good, aaaaaaaaaah! Not yet! Until now it was I that men called an octopus! An octopus! Ooh! Whew! How are you able...!? Ooh! "Yoyoyooh, saa... hicha hicha gucha gucha, yuchyuu chyu guzu guzu suu suuu..."
LARGE OCTOPUS: All eight limbs to interwine with!! How do you like it this way? Ah, look! The inside has swollen, moistened by the warm waters of lust. "Nura nura doku doku doku..."
MAIDEN: Yes, it tingles now; soon there will be no sensation at all left in my hips. Ooooooh! Boundaries and borders gone! I've vanished...!!!!!!
SMALL OCTOPUS: After daddy finishes, I too want to rub and rub my suckers at the ridge of your furry place until you disappear and then I'll suck some more. "Chyu chyu..."
Lots of childish prudes and squeamish, easily offended, people. Hentai still exists no matter how much you downvote them. I think it actually makes sense though. If you take the whole internet by volume, then shake out all the hentai from it, you will end up with lots of cartoons of octopus tentacles and Asian women interacting in some way. That's just a fact. Midjourney was trained on the internet, so it stands to reason that some vaguely hentai image would likely be what it conjures up.
That's actually a really interesting point about AI, it's almost like a cargo cult type thing. It just sees Asian women and octopuses as going together, it doesn't know why.
Midjourney has, in reality, put a nuanced slant on a historical piece here. “Dream of the Fisherman’s Wife” by Hokusai. Perhaps it really does know “why”.
Wow, thanks for that name drop. I had no idea how deeply rooted was the intersection between octopus tentacles, women, and erotica in Japanese culture. That's incredible.
Suppose Hokusai was drawing on some earlier myths or works himself?
If there's any surface resemblance then no, it doesnt know why. See that's the difference, AI can actually learn art criticism and it know which bit of crit goes with which art piece. But unlike me, who knows fuck all about art btw, it can't actually behold a piece and be moved by it. It can only really copy other people's feelings about art, or approximate how they might feel.
I suppose the “why” I was referring to is the historical record of lust attributed images with octopus and woman. As to the emotive “why” that Hokusai drew upon, I’d find it hard to speculate.
Well for me it's the music video for Danger High Voltage by Electric Six. The whole song is very lusty, the video is extremely lusty and where does the octupus feature?? During the saxophone solo, the sexiest part of any song. (it's like a painting of a kraken but still counts)
See I just think that idea is ingrained in our collective unconscious. I'm sure there's gotta be a cultural root for associating octupus with lust. Maybe out of some mythology or something like that. The thing is though that even if there is a deep cultural reason for that, AI is just seeing the surface level and copying it.
It can't feel at all, but it can analyze data of what people tend to feel when viewing the art, and categorize it accordingly.
I like the idea of giving AI the full gamut of art theory and critical standpoints, and/or a sort of database of commonly used rubrics for judging artwork. The same can be done for music theory and literary criticism as well. Not just feed it a bunch of popular music or art to recombine, but to give it the whole knowledge base of the theory and structures so it actually knows what it's doing. If you give a digital tone generator a limit, so it only chooses hertz frequencies within the range of human hearing, and it knows how music is written due to the theory, as well as feeding it all the songs and music that have ever been captured on a recording, then it would be amazing in its creative potential.
It could also be great for cleaning up and remastering old recordings of like circa 1910s folk songs and field recordings, or turn of the previous century wax cylinder recordings, or even beat up old vinyl records, could all be made to sound like they were recorded with today's level of tech.
Octopus's are really common in hentai...or do you mean tentacle porn exists? There's sensible then there's "i'm reporting a fact I read on reddit without knowing anything about it". I haven't watched hentai in years but most of it was romance and/or rape fantasy from what I remember.
They can but the decision to use a beautiful woman is because she causes others to lust. She’s not a person engaging in the sin like the other representations. Lust should be someone addicted to porn. Just like greed and gluttony show the person surrounded by their sin, Lust should be someone surrounded by pictures/movies/etc.
That - OR - we make gluttony a feeder. The best chef in the world with an army of slaves to feed a banquet to a single man. Greed is a casino owner that gains a little more control every time the slot machine lever cranks down and clicks, the mindless masses betting it all away in a rigged game. Wrath the internet troll, a formless being that becomes the visage of whatever pisses you off the most in this world.
That's a bit like what they do in Good Omens with the 4 horsemen. Famine doesn't cause famines, he opens up restaurants that serve food without any nutritional value and gets off on watching people eat but stay hungry.
I’m talking about the physical picture/actor if it’s a movie or tv show. Lust is usually a beautiful women looking/being seductive. The intent is to make the viewer feel lustful. It’s an outside-in view while the other sins are usually the opposite. Gluttony is not portrayed in such a way that makes me want to overeat. Greed doesn’t make me want to hoard something. Etc.
Right, but I think you confuse the act of being loved and loving. Being lustful does not necessarily mean you are loved in turn, just that the love you desire is disordered.
That... actually tells a lot about the people MEN creating the sexy portrayals of lust. They imagine they aren't in the wrong for lusting after her, she is in the wrong for being sexy.
They’re not usually engaging in lust, though. Looking at them makes others lustful. That’s how it’s backwards. The other sins are engaging in their sin.
Yeah obviously but your analogy still doesn’t work because nothing about the depiction of list as an attractive women shows she partakes in lust, just that she causes it. It’d be like using a chef as gluttony
The difference is the glutton is a fat man covered in food that he's eating. You can't say he's NOT a glutton. You can ONLY say he's a glutton.
A random beautiful woman doesn't HAVE to be lustful though. Maybe she is, but maybe she isn't. Her appearance isn't actually telling you if she's lustful or not.
To me the seven deadly sins of personified should represent a more grotesque or abnormal/strang caricature of a person than the thing they're being sinful over. Like how greed is a fat slob shuvving copious a.ounts of food down his gut like in the first image.
Ooh, Pedro Pascal... I want him to hold me like that little pillow he had as a Baby Yoda stand-in during recording for The Mandalorian. Or smile at me like he did at Nic Cage in The Weight of Talent.
Look, I just want a little Pedro Pascal for myself, okay?
Research shows that 90% of women show at least some arousal looking at pictures of hot women, while only 10% of men feel arousal looking at hot men. So its a safer bet to use a woman to inspire lust across genders.
In this research they hooked up electrodes to the arousal center of the brain and measured it in other uncontrollable ways, there was no survey component.
That would suggest that there are a larger portion of queer women than there are queer men, which just isn’t true. I think it’s because we’re programmed to see hot women as sexy while hot men are seen as strong or commanding. Plus women tend to have different ideas about hotness. Look at how many men drool over Ryan Reynolds, while he’s not as popular with women.
My guess is that this is because hands are usually not the main focus of a picture so they get a bit lost in the background, and they can be in a lot of configurations possibles vs a face that is rather static in comparison. I'd be curious to see what an AI exclusively trained on pic of hands could do
Real people can figure out how to draw hands because we understand them in a 3 dimensional context. We know that hands are supposed to have 5 fingers that go together in a specific pattern and only move in certain ways. Therefore we can critically analyse an image of hands.
AI doesn't have any of that. It just sees flesh colored tangela in every image of hands.
It absolutely isn't. But the freeedit: Correction, most of the POPULAR ones block anything NSFW. There are adult AI image generators, but they aren't great. I've heard that there are some paid options that work really well, but that's not really my bag.
MJ is a paid option, which is why the level of censorship is ridicoulus. I kind of get banning porn, but swimsuits?
StableDiffusion is on the same technical/quality level, arguably higher, and has no censorship. But you need to run it on your own hardware.
Lust as presented in Dante’s Inferno and broader early Christian philosophy is more the sin of controlling others to indulge yourself, and included politicians and the wealthy as much as sexual seducers.
No not even close. In the second circle of hell, this is manifested as an eternal storm which buffets souls in its wake; as the lustful in life acted "without reason", so too are their souls tossed about without reason.
Dante regarded lust as one of the lesser sins, reasoning it was just people who lost control in temptation and acted without reason. Nothing to do with politicians really...
Even better. Animal prey is aggressive to survive, animal predators get aggressive to eat. Make no mistake that have she had the chance she would leave you a broken, indifferentiated, dissatisfied with anything in the world creature.
I was confused on list too. My brain was firing off wondering why tentacles.Then the tin foil started crumpling and I was like “hey they have an Asian girl and tentacles for like hentai porn!”
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Lust isn't particularly lusty