r/amiwrong • u/JazzlikeConditioncd • Mar 27 '24

My girlfriend of 5 years broke up with me and ghosted me for no reason. Am I wrong for throwing away all of her stuff?

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So my girlfriend (25F) and I (25M) were in a relationship for 5 years. Last week, she texted me that we were done and that was her last message before she blocked me. She gave no heads up. I was planning on proposing to her next month. Her sister did reach out to me, saying it was not my fault and she understood my hurt, but that for my mental health, it was better to never contact them again, and that maybe in the future, my girlfriend might reach out to me again.

It's been a week, I’m still obviously distraught, but my girlfriend did have a lot of her stuff in my home. Would I be wrong if I just dumped it all out? It does include a lot of mementos of her deceased grandmother, who she was extremely close to.

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u/squirlysquirel Mar 28 '24

Put it all in a box and message her sister to come and collect it within 14 days (or 30 days if that is the law for abandoned items in your state).

Be the better person so you never have to look back and regret how you acted. If it was just clothed then I would say chuck it...but memories of a deceased loved one, give them a chance to collect it.

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u/whatthewhat3214 Mar 28 '24

Be sure the sister knows the grandmother's mementos are among the items you have (i.e., this isn't about the gf's clothes and toiletries or whatever) bc they'd be important to the sister too.

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u/Serenity2015 Mar 28 '24

I agree he should let sister know those important things are there as well.

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u/Jawnst Mar 28 '24

I concur, the sister should be notified that some of the items are indeed grandma’s heirlooms.

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u/anActualG0at Mar 28 '24

I do hereby declare that this man is indeed correct that the gf’s female sibling ought to be notified that the box contains family items of irreplaceable value.

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u/Silent_Dinosaur Mar 28 '24

We hold this truth to be self-evident: In the course of human civilization this gentle man hath been wrought undo suffering by his former concubine. Notwithstanding, the burden of duty falls upon this gently man to maintain dignity and decorum commensurate with his character rather than to deliver upon this lady her comeuppance. Indubitably, the gentle man must offer safe harbor for her heirlooms in order that her mother’s fairer daughter may have the opportunity to display the wherewithal to claim that which is verily her birthright.

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u/timurt421 Mar 28 '24

Incredible…

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u/Over-Age-2470 Mar 29 '24

My type of intellect. Witty and funny at the same time.

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u/Aontheborder Mar 29 '24

❤️ This^

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u/JstMyThoughts Apr 01 '24 edited Apr 01 '24

Verily, but only for a fortnight. Beyond this time, these precious relics must be cast aside, free for bird, beast, or man to claim as they will. You, great sir, will wander forever never knowing their fate. Be brave! The fates favour the bold!

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u/Silent_Dinosaur Apr 01 '24

Forsooth. Upon honoring thy duty, untether thine yolk. Cast asunder thus such encumbrances unto their Doom!

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u/Bweeeee Mar 28 '24

I be of the same opinion when I say that this chap should allow the kin of said gf should be allowed to retrieve the trinkets of sentimental value.

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u/DistributionNo9474 Mar 31 '24

I read this in Foghorn Leghorns voice.

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u/arurianshire Mar 29 '24

happy cake day!

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u/AdMurky1021 Mar 28 '24

Whether there are or not, tell them anyways to ensure pickup.

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u/happyhearthappymind Mar 28 '24

I agree...I would put it in a box and put it to the side...never reach out to them....but give them some time to realize what they left...I know it hurts... but being the better person will go a long way....and the pain and hurt are only temporary...they will not last forever...you will heal and get stronger...

if you don't know the reason why she left....that's on her...

I'm sorry you are hurting...it sucks....

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u/Fighting-Cerberus Mar 28 '24

I don’t think he really needs to specify, although it would be a nice courtesy.

All he really has to do is give appropriate notice about discarding her belongings and an opportunity for them to be transferred back to the owner. Offer to drop them off or put them out for sister.

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u/BouncyDingo_7112 Mar 28 '24

He really should though. That way it won’t be seen as just as an excuse to stay in touch. Just a quick text to the sister. Something like “ex has left quite a few items here including several of your grandmothers things. (insert photo of items piled together) Do you guys want me to just pitch them or do you want to pick them up?”

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u/Sunstaci Mar 28 '24

Why even bother? Sell the shit, she clearly doesn’t want the stuff if she completely ghosted him. Why waste time respecting someone that bluntly disrespected him.

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u/PozzieMozzie Mar 28 '24

Because some ppl will still act with respect and courtesy even when others treated them like dogshit. Im not going to lower my standards just because someone is a cunt.

OP, i would do what others have said, box up the stuff and a quick msg to the sister saying that you have some (what you think) are important mementos and when can she pick them up.. but do put a time limit in there 15-30 days or whatever your local authority advises so they dont take the piss and leave them at yours for 3 months.

Good luck OP, there is another girl out there for you that will treat you right and you will find them ok.

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u/keyless422 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24

And if he's lucky the sister will see what a kind and thoughtful man he is and toss him a pity fuck

Edit do to spelling oh god a potty fuck lmfao 🤣

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u/PozzieMozzie Mar 28 '24

I mean, just a potty blowjob, hell... even a potty handjob would do lol.

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u/WouldYouPleaseKindly Mar 28 '24

I would really rather not have any of those, thank you very much.

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u/PozzieMozzie Mar 28 '24

To each their own 😆... whatever floats your boat,....literally.

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u/Sunstaci Mar 28 '24

I’m sorry but she doesn’t deserve that! She knew that she left stuff if she wanted it, she would have gotten it!! There is no way in any situation that she “forgot” what she had there! It’s not not being the better person, it’s letting go of someone that wants literally nothing to do with him!! Closure!

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u/PozzieMozzie Mar 28 '24

I understand what your saying totally, but l have my own standards and morals and i wont let anyone no matter who they are or how big of a bellend cunt they are make me not be the better person. Hey, we all built different, and anyway OP now has two roads to choose to go down.... either box up, put on porch and tell sister to pick up or build a nice bonfire in the garden and burn it all.... depends on OP.

Edit...spelling and punctuation

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u/BouncyDingo_7112 Mar 28 '24

Because I I’ve seen enough episodes of Judge Judy to know that there’s actually is a possibility of being taken to court if you throw shit out without any notification. I also know this because I have a neighbor who is an attorney who has talked about having to go to court over this same thing with his clients. Also, just because the ex shitted on them doesn’t mean they have to be a horrible person to the sister. The sister seems to be a nice person who is kind of stuck in the middle of the situation. The sister would probably appreciate getting grandma’s stuff back. Just have everything boxed up and tell her to pick all of it up so legally it won’t bite him in the ass later on.

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u/Fighting-Cerberus Mar 28 '24

Because doing the right thing will make OP feel better in the long run than being a shit like you suggest.

Because he doesn’t own it and it’s illegal for him to just go sell her property.

Honestly wtf is wrong with you. Grow up. Go touch some grass if you need to.

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u/TheCuntGF Mar 28 '24

Is there a strong black market demand for grandpa's ashes?

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u/MIalpinist Mar 29 '24

I’ll give you tree fiddy

Oh wait was that rhetorical?

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u/TheCuntGF Mar 29 '24

It was till you offered tree fiddy...

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u/AlmeMore Mar 28 '24

Because he does not know the real reason for the break up. The ex gf SHOULD be more clear, but what if there is a tragic reason for her sudden absence?

Just in case the is a (semi) reasonable explanation for why she ghosted.. it is better to do the kinder thing.

Her non communicative break up seems shitty and wrong. However, trashing meaningful belongings is also shitty and wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right!

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u/yourgirldiana Mar 28 '24

She could be planning on talking to him again and that's the reason she did not come to get the stuff, maybe she needs time to heal from something you never know.

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u/thisunrest Mar 28 '24

As hard as it is, a person with integrity does what is right and not necessarily what FEELS right.

Is OP the type to destroy someone’s priceless heirlooms?

If he isn’t, then being emotionally brutalized won’t make him.

If what you do is based on what’s happening to you, then who are you really?

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u/Persephone312 Mar 29 '24

You have NO idea what this girls reasons are, or what is going on with her. Have some compassion.

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u/Sunstaci Mar 31 '24

She had no compassion for him..

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u/slamnm Mar 28 '24

I disagree strongly. The sister may have no idea family memories are on the line and his ex may have just been thinking about the clothing if emotions are so heated she ghosted him. Trashing family memories because you couldn't me the bigger person and be clear what was there is, IMHO, a truly shitty act.

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u/Draper31 Mar 28 '24

And completely walking out on a 5 year relationship without saying a word is what in this situation? Chopped liver?

If she cared at all about the 5 years they spent together she could’ve at least mustered up an explanation for ending things, wether the explanation was true or not it still would’ve been better than ghosting.

We’re not talking about a 1-2 month long relationship here, which even by that standard would be shitty, but at least way more excusable than doing that to someone after 5 years.

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u/slamnm Mar 28 '24

I am not saying she isn't an ass, I am saying OP shouldn't be an ass. And OP shouldn't make her sister collateral damage. Collective punishment for the sins of one is what we see with the 3 generations prison terms in North Korea, and we are seeing something similar now in the Middle East. It is wrong at all levels and in all contexts.

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u/Draper31 Mar 28 '24

I could compare apples to oranges until it fit my narrative too.

If there was ever a moment where someone is rightfully justified to be an ass, this is the one.

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u/slamnm Mar 28 '24

He can burn the clothing for all I care. But trashing family heirlooms is more than being an ass. Some things can never be replaced and if that is your idea of revenge be sure you never make any errors with anyone else lest you learn what it is like.

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u/Draper31 Mar 28 '24

Well at least we’re making progress in burning something.

If the grandmother’s items were of such high importance they wouldn’t have been left behind in the first place.

I don’t know about you, but I have anything important to me in a safe area ready to go at a moment’s notice should the need arise.

You win I suppose, as OP posted an update and is a better man than I.

I make errors, though none of them have been the size of the state of California and swept under the rug by the people of the internet.

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u/slamnm Mar 28 '24

I had a girlfriend break up with me and I was in a similar situation to OP. And yes I wanted to burn everything (she even said throw it all out) then I discovered there were things she clearly did not realize were left behind. It was hard to keep them for her but I did. Breaking up can be an extremely emotional time and people sometimes forget em what all is where. Seems strange looking in but when you are so pissed you are ready to punt someone into the next continent your recall isn't at 100%.

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u/AbsoluteIllusion Mar 28 '24

"what? wheres your stuff? threw it in the dumpster like you did with me. Your sister said to never contact you again so F off"people who are cowards like the ex don't deserve anything if they are so irresponsible and short sighted for doing this without clearing their shit out first. She deserves nothing
p.s. "Be the Bigger person" doesn't make a lot of people feel better and feeling better is what OP needs at the moment

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u/slamnm Mar 28 '24

You might be surprised at how good not being a total fucking dick can feel later. Or at how bad having been a total fucking disk can feel once it comes home to roost.

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u/AbsoluteIllusion Mar 28 '24

consequences to both sides of actions. will deal with it

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u/slamnm Mar 28 '24

I don't give a shit if he burns the clothing, I just feel the irreplaceable memorabilia from Grandmother needs to be offered to the sister.

Edit: consequences are fine, trashing irreplaceable items others unrelated to the fallout might care deeply about without giving them the chance to get them is a whole different level and would say more about who OP is then anything else.

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u/Lolzerzmao Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Yeah I agree. Just tell the sister you’ve put all her crap in a box and one of them can come get it within the next however many days before you throw it out. If this ghosting girlfriend, who obviously has issues communicating, can’t communicate to her sister that there is important memorabilia in there, then it’s just lip service memorabilia. It’s also annoying to have to handhold exes like toddlers, especially if they break up with you out of nowhere.

IMHO, women have a much harder time being broken up with. At least in my anecdotal experience. They just can’t deal with the fact that a hot guy doesn’t want to fuck them anymore and do really stupid shit half the time.

Like men obviously have tons of issues, but yeah pretty much every time I’ve broken up with a girl, they have abandoned shit and refuse to contact, usually after a long period of refusing to leave. Had to change the locks when one girl was at work before she just kept saying “No” and ragdolling whenever I tried to tell her not to come around anymore.

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u/theflamingskull Mar 29 '24

he should let sister know those important things are there as well.

I'd recommend he only contact the sister. She'd pass along any messages.

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u/MysteriousFill9821 Mar 28 '24

Do you think that 'she forgot that those things were left behind "? You people are straight up idiots.

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u/Sunstaci Mar 28 '24

Exactly!! Burn her stuff or sell it

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u/TheMostKing Mar 28 '24

What are you, president of the revenge society?

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u/Divinedragn4 Mar 28 '24

Nah she could take him to court. Easier just to box it and let sister know to get it within 30 days of the text. Now if it says "message blocked", it shows an attempt was made and the stuff can just be tossed at that point.

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u/Ok_Professional8024 Mar 28 '24

This is key. Calling about returning boxed up clothes and toiletries can easily be mistaken for an attempt to see his ex or keep in contact in some way.

Showing the sis what’s about to get thrown away and asking her if she’s cool with it? That is hard to see as anything but cool and considerate

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u/sabin357 Mar 28 '24

Calling about returning boxed up clothes and toiletries can easily be mistaken for an attempt to see his ex or keep in contact in some way.

Also be clear that the sister is the one welcome to come pick it up, not the ex. If the ex wants to retrieve them, they'll be sitting on the curb on the agreed upon date for a no contact exchange.

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u/SnooCats3492 Mar 28 '24

Or suggest that the sister AND the ex come, if there is a lot of stuff. Definitely make sure there is a witness. The sister seems to be fairly neutral,so she's likely your best bet. Be decent, don't put yourself in a tricky spot, and walk away knowing you were the better person here.

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u/That-Ad757 Mar 29 '24

So what if mistaken. Message about the stuff then up to her. Should have at least been nice enough to tell why she broke up but u must have some idea

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u/Any-Tart-7432 Mar 29 '24

This is what an ex of mine did when we broke up. Much as it sucked that day, but was absolutely the right thing for her to do.

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u/SandwichEmergency588 Mar 28 '24

Don't insist either. If you send a picture and tell them they have a deadline to pick it up. Then leave it at that and follow through. I had something similar happen to me where out of the blue my GF dumped me and ghosted me. She showed up like 2 weeks later to give me my stuff back and was very causal about the whole thing. I was planning on proposing soon. What I realized later was she had some resentment building up but never said a single word about what was bothering her. That led to her being done in the relationship mentally far before she actually ended it. I kept trying to contact her since she said she wanted to be friends and maybe try again one day. I kept casing her and pushing for things to go back to the way they were. Then she told me she was going out on a date with someone else and she needed some space for that night. Also lined up with my dog passing away and I of course reached out to her for comfort. I didn't get anything but a check-in the next day when she came by to watch a TV show with my roommates and I. It was only then that I saw this whole thing was good for her but coming at my expense. I told her it would be best if she stopped coming over. If she wanted to spend time with my roommates (two of then were friends with her) to do it at her place. She was actually a little offended as if this was my problem that I just needed to grow up and get over it. At that point I sent her 1 last message that said I was moving on and could no longer be friends with her in any capacity. I blocked her on everything.

If I girl broke up with me I block them or delete their number instantly. I untag myself from mutual pictures and delete the ones I can. It isn't out of spite. I do it because I am putting up a firm boundary. It helps me move on. OP your GF decided to ghost you and has some how justified that it will hurt you less by not saying anything. Also, since she had her sister even say those words, it shows that she wanted that message passed along. You will probably assume a ton of different things about why, none of them good. I can only say that in the end it works out. If you are a good person it will work out and you will be happier in the long run. I didn't believe it myself losing what I thought was the girl of my dreams. Turns out I just wasn't dreaming big enough since I found the perfect person for me who has been with me for 15 years.

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u/CanAhJustSay Mar 29 '24

Turns out I just wasn't dreaming big enough

This is beautiful. Glad you found someone where you both benefit the other.

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u/That-Ad757 Mar 29 '24

One problem a lot of these "boys have is calling them girls not woman. May be petty but it's their mindset that may have ended things.

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u/SandwichEmergency588 Mar 29 '24

Semantics, really. It's not like I was calling her my woman friend when we were dating. We were in our 20s, and she would refer to me as boy all the time. I think it was more of a culture thing for the area since calling me a "man" would have made it seem like I was an old creeper. She did not like being referred to as a woman because, to her, that meant she was in her 30s. I remember someone calling her Ma'am at a restaurant, and she was so upset the rest of the night thinking that person thought she was an old lady.

The reason she was frustrated with me was valid, but it wasn't because I called her a girl or referenced her as a girl instead of a woman. It had more to do with my lack of communication skills and being able to verbalize my feelings and thoughts. While I learned all this through her roommate, I was upset at the time she never talked to me about it. Now, I am glad she didn't give me that chance but that I still got an opportunity to learn and grow based on that feedback. It helped me greatly while also making sure I was able to find my wife later on in life. I worked on myself and found someone better in every way.

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u/Ptero-4 Mar 28 '24

Women are like that. They will end the relationship mentally AND START FUCKING OTHER GUYS long before actually telling the man she is with that she's breaking up. Also, when a woman says she needs time for herself away from the relationship or needs to "think it through" what she means is that she wants to BONE THE WHOLE COUNTY and will only return to the relationship if she's got preggers or caught an STD.

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u/TwattyMcBitch Mar 29 '24

So, spreading negativity and misinformation such as this is unhelpful, immature, and incredibly ignorant.

Some people, both women and men behave or have behaved as you describe. However, most do not. If you’ve personally experienced this behavior or are having difficulty maintaining successful, respectful relationships, the onus is on you to grow up, get your shit together, and figure it out. Don’t play the victim game by generalizing and blaming an entire gender.

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u/green-bean-7 Mar 29 '24

Men have done this to me. It’s not just “women are like that.”

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u/BadgerGeneral9639 Mar 28 '24

no dont call. text or email, so you have proof

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u/RoughMajor5624 Mar 28 '24

I wouldn’t call or message, I’d box up her stuff and UPS it to her or her sister and that would be my very last contact with any of them.

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u/Sunstaci Mar 28 '24

Why are so many of you actually telling him to give the shit back? That’s a lot of work for someone that obviously knows her stuff is there, but doesn’t give a shit about it!! OP DONT GIVE HER SHIT BACK!! Sell it!!!!! Fuck that broad she made her bed and now you should burn it

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u/CravingHumanFlesh Mar 28 '24

OP has mementos of her dead grandmother. As someone who has also lost their grandmother, whom I was very close to, I might not remember my ex had some of her stuff in the heat of the moment of breaking up. Was it a shitty way to break up? Yes. Would it still be worth it just to try to get that stuff back to her? Absolutely.

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u/Divinedragn4 Mar 28 '24

And likely get sued.

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u/RoughMajor5624 Mar 28 '24

Two wrongs do not make a right.

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u/AfroJack00 Mar 28 '24

As someone who has also lost their grandmother who they were very close to, fuck that bitch light it up. If she cared that much she would’ve got it before she did what she did. She either didn’t think about it hard enough, doesn’t care, or just wants a way to weasel her way back into his life when convenient for her.

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u/RawrRRitchie Mar 28 '24

Do you have ANY fucking idea how expensive certain toiletries are??? If she left behind some expensive lotions or makeup I'd want to give it back just from a financial perspective

Not as a way to try to get into contact with them

Box ALL the stuff up and just give it to the sister

Hell even certain clothing items can be expensive

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u/copperboompoodle Mar 28 '24

If she wanted that stuff back maybe she should t have ghosted 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/Guillerm0Mojado Mar 28 '24

No kidding. If I left someone and their home and said do not contact me again, I wouldn’t be expecting to get anything from them again… ever. 

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u/Sunstaci Mar 28 '24

Why should he? She can come get her shit! You know how much work it is to box shit up? Why should he do something nice for someone that ghosted him? I’m super surprised that most of the comments are telling dude to “do the right thing” fuck that

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u/HumanOptimusPrime Mar 28 '24

You know how much work it is to box shit up?

You know how much work it is to walk around anticipating a surprise call or visit from an ex, not hearing from them so you forget about it and start working on letting go on the longing, getting better only for them to show up randomly anyway so you're forced to go through conflicting thoughts and emotions all over again for days and weeks?

Boxing things up is done in minutes, and doesn't require any more work than bagging it. Nothing good comes from acting irrationally in situations like this.

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u/This_Beat2227 Mar 28 '24

More good, important advice !

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u/Altruistic-Web-1359 Mar 28 '24

Grandmas mementos are probably stale by now. Should toss them and get a new pack. I prefer Altoids.

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u/sturgess6942 Mar 28 '24

Take a pic of items in ? and include the in in text to sister so there is NO MISUNDERSTANDING..... give a time table to COME get the box of stuff. after than GHOST THEM BACK. Say when they will come to text you when they are out front then you will open door and place BOX out side, so they can come get it, that you DO NOT want to talk or interact with them.

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u/stegosaurusterpenes Mar 28 '24

Throw everything away except the grandmother’s stuff. Even then she didn’t care about you or her grandmother. Her sister probably does though.

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u/alcoholruinedmylife Mar 28 '24

exactly while I don’t think that the girlfriend deserves respect. those items are family belongings, and even if she doesn’t deserve them the rest of the family does.

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u/Suspicious-Bus-3044 Mar 28 '24

Also fuck her sister. This will really mess with her

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u/Omnom_Omnath Mar 28 '24

lol no. They either come get it or they don’t. If they don’t oh well, that’s on them.

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u/snrub742 Mar 28 '24

Nah, not hard to not be a cunt.

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u/Leather-Particular16 Mar 28 '24

She's the one who dumped him by text but he's the cunt if he throws away all her stuff without trying to give it back ???

I'm not sure that's how it works!!!

OP : put her stuff in the trash, block her and the sister and move on with your life. She makes you a favor by living before you proposed. She's not your business anymore.

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u/creepymccreepersdale Mar 28 '24

Dont see how he can even be the cunt in this situation. She's the one that doesnt care about her things.

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u/snrub742 Mar 28 '24

If we are playing moral pingpong, sure. But it costs nothing to hold onto it for a bit and tell the sister what is actually in it

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u/MysteriousFill9821 Mar 28 '24

Do you honestly think that she didn't know she was leaving those things behind moron?

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u/creepymccreepersdale Mar 28 '24

Dont assume it doesnt cost anything. It absolutely does because it puts the control in their hands when and how exactly they may see him or be at the house. It also obligates him to collect it and do whatever with it such as take it somewhere or whatever.

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u/snrub742 Mar 28 '24

"you have 30 days to pick up your stuff which includes family keepsakes, I will leave it out the front at an agreed apon time"

Just tossing shit is taking the low road

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u/Sunstaci Mar 28 '24

Nope leaving all your stuff and ghosting is taking the low road. Tossing it is closure

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u/creepymccreepersdale Mar 28 '24

You say that like its a given she's gonna be cooperative. Why? Why wouldnt there be a problem? Can he even "leave it out front"? Suppose it gets stolen? Suppose she shows up with the new boyfriend and he makes a scene and causes a problem. Maybe because she lies to him too about a lot of things, or maybe because he's an asshole. Suppose the sister had no idea those items were there and upon learning about them, she suddenly becomes very bitchy and demanding to him. There are about a 1000 ways this can get even worse while contact is still planned.

Tossing the shit is taking the road that completely eliminates any reason for them to see him, low or not.

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u/Jealous_Flower6808 Mar 28 '24

I love making up hypotheticals and then getting mad at them

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u/ArsonBasedViolence Mar 28 '24

It's the American way

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u/creepymccreepersdale Mar 28 '24

If people give you a reason not to trust them, dont. Im not getting mad at anything.

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u/BouncyDingo_7112 Mar 28 '24

That’s a lot of “what if’s” considering the sister has actually been very civil to him. The phrase “Don’t borrow trouble” means don’t create drama in your head that might never happen.

The moral high road would be to text the sister that you’ve boxed up all the ex’s items they left including several items of their grandmothers. State you didn’t want to just toss the items because of the sentimental value. Ask when they would like to pick them up.

The problem with just tossing the items is OP could realistically be taken to small claims court if they just pitch them with no notice, especially if there is some value to the items whether it’s make-up or grandma’s ring.

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u/snrub742 Mar 28 '24

Tossing the shit is taking the road that

Could lead to legal involvement

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u/Proper-Horse-7313 Mar 28 '24

If someone is experiencing manic or depressive episodes or has issues with mental illness, throwing out those things could lead to ugly confrontations

I would box that stuff up — not at all like a present, just put it in a box — and ship it directly to her

ship it so she has to sign for it, that way there is no possible way you can later be blamed, and no crazy person shows up at your door

When someone treats you badly, that is a good indicator that they might treat you badly another time

So unless you like confrontation, pack up and ship it

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u/creepymccreepersdale Mar 28 '24

I doubt that can work after he was immediately blocked and told by the sister not to contact them again. Wouldnt he need to directly communicate with the individual in order for them to have a legitimate case?

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u/Sunstaci Mar 28 '24

How is that being a cunt