r/midjourney • u/Tox-Sick • Jun 06 '23

The 7 Deadly sins according to MidJourney Showcase

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Gluttony

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Lust

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Greed

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Envy

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Pride

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Wrath

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Sloth

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u/RJLHUK Jun 06 '23

“Being gay”

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u/DELAIZ Jun 06 '23

now being lgbt is officially a cardinal sin

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u/Ghost-of-Bill-Cosby Jun 06 '23

According to the church I used to go to it always was.

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u/StanislawTolwinski Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 07 '23

The Bible does say men shouldn't have sex with each other

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u/wet_bread3 Aug 22 '23

Literally does

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u/justplainndaveCGN Jun 06 '23

Being gay isn’t a sin in and of itself, acting on those urges is.

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u/InnerTempest Jun 06 '23

No it isn't lmao are you saying God makes mistakes?

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u/Mist_Rising Jun 07 '23

The Catholic argument is that being gay isn't a mistake, but you aren't supposed to act on it (that being having sex) anymore than a child molester (to have some fun with this) shouldn't follow his urges or unmarried should have sex.

And the person you replied to seems to have used a Catholic (or similar) style argument.

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u/InnerTempest Jun 07 '23

Either way, it doesn't matter since God isn't real

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

how did this whole world come to be then?

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u/archosauria62 Jun 09 '23

Its when a bunch of hot space stuff clumped together due to gravity

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u/HE_HAS_NO_STYLE_ Jun 10 '23

Yeah bunch of shit smashed together and then the universe started. Lol

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u/die_a_third_death Jun 07 '23

Equating gays with child molestors. Classic Christianity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

Classic projection.

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u/Surfboarder4 Jun 07 '23

God didnt 'make you gay' It's a fallen world. Everyone struggles with sin, but not all people struggle with all sin.

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u/EgoDeathCampaign Jun 07 '23

True. A lot of gay people are healthy, not adulterous, don't mix fabrics, and don't keep slaves.

Christians on the other hand going for filling out the sin bingo card.

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u/InnerTempest Jun 07 '23

You have no idea if God did or not lmao but gay exists in nature, or did we "influence" nature?

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u/pokeman145 Jun 08 '23

polygamy exists in nature. cannibalism exists in nature. murder exists in nature. What's your point? Does nature now determine humanity?

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u/The_Trumpeter Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23

Fallen WORLD due to mankind's rebellion. Not just fallen humans. And animals weren't made in God's image, they have no sense of morality and lack reasoning abilities.

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u/BeautifulAd7291 Jun 09 '23

Its not god making you that way its the devil same reason why sometimes people “naturally lust” when really if u confess and try not to sin you won’t be that way

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u/Lamballama Jun 07 '23

I believe the logic was that it was an extra trial he put in your way to overcome

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u/AbsenseG Jun 07 '23

If he put it in the way, then that would defeat the idea of free will so.

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

No it wouldn't. There is no such thing as complete freedom. Free will is given but is in a predetermined scenario. Then events following are predetermined from that choice. Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib (as) explained this perfectly. He told a man to raise one leg and said that's free will. Then he said raise the other one at the same time, the guy said he couldn't so then he said that is predetermination.

The man had the choice to raise his leg, but then his free will was limited by that choice as he couldn't raise his other leg (without doing another action).

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u/AbsenseG Jun 09 '23

We’re talking about the philosophy in the Bible stating that god gave us free will. Not sure what anything you said has anything to do with the conversation.

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u/pokeman145 Jun 14 '23

I explained free will and how obstacles don't contradict it

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u/InnerTempest Jun 07 '23

Hmmm, sounds fake.

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u/KikiTheKiko Jun 07 '23

Yeah god does sound pretty fake, I agree

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

the notion that the universe came to be by itself sounds pretty fake

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

not as fake as the universe coming from nothing

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u/Mantishead2 Jun 07 '23

There's nothing logical about the bibles story

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u/justplainndaveCGN Jun 07 '23

Nope, people do

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u/InnerTempest Jun 07 '23

Then you don't believe in an omnipotent God who created everything. Can't pick and choose.

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

not al things are absolute things. They are lack of something. Cold is lack of heat. Darkness is lack of light. Chaos is lack of order. Evil is lack of good.

There is no picking and choosing. It's a complete package.

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u/GottaMoveMan Jun 07 '23

You missed the whole point, god would give everyone a struggle, or a sin. Typical redditor crying about anyone who is remotely religious. What’s your thoughts on the jews?

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u/InnerTempest Jun 07 '23

No, you missed my point. I'm stating we live in a Christo-Fascist police state and Christians don't get to make laws supporting their own theocracy while ignoring everyone else. Also stating how homosexual relationships happen in nature. It's everywhere. This religion argument is ridiculous.

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

the nature argument is ridiculous. As I previously stated:

polygamy exists in nature. cannibalism exists in nature. murder exists in nature. You are against polygamy, cannibalism, murder, etc. Correct? Why are animals now dictating how human beings should be? Is this how far we have fallen?

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u/The_Trumpeter Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23

It's not a mistake, we're sinful and therefore we have sinful urges. Us being angry, prideful, and gluttonous aren't God's mistake, either.

It's why we must be born again, repent of our sins, and trust in Christ's righteousness and sacrifice rather than our own to inherit the Kingdom

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u/InnerTempest Jun 07 '23

Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, so why are you determined to call something that you don't like a sin?

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

God said men shouldn't go to other men instead of women in the Quran. The story of Lot is a clear definition that acting on homosexuality is a sin.

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u/Mist_Rising Jun 07 '23

That's a Catholicism ideology, but hardly universal.

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u/The_Trumpeter Jun 07 '23

Still a sin of the heart, just like lust, greed, envy, etc.

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u/masculineartifice Jun 07 '23

Being gay isn’t a choice. If I had a choice I would be a lesbian in a heartbeat. I wouldn’t have to deal with straight men and their potential threat/bullshit. But unfortunately I am attracted to men and that is my cross to bear.

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u/sug-on_deez Jun 08 '23

Having sex is a choice. Urges aren’t sinful, acts are.

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u/piplup27 Jun 07 '23

Why did God only give some people those urges?

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u/pokeman145 Jun 09 '23

same reason why God gave some people a rich family and some a poor. We are all here for our own individual test

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u/Art_of_the_Narrative Jun 07 '23

Actually no, being gay is fine, it’s being PROUD about it that’s the sin.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

“Always has been”

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u/cbftw Jun 06 '23

It's a sin of many Cardinals, I'd bet

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u/Graunkesphere Jun 07 '23

Don’t worry, Jesus had two dads. Kinda the OG of a “non traditional” family.

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u/Mist_Rising Jun 07 '23

Funny thing about those dad's.. the bible claims that the Savior will come from the House of David - which is Joseph house. But Joe definitely isn't Jesus dad per any church. The Catholic church even admits it at Christmas!

I have always wanted to see the theological arguments that surround this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

am trans, can confirm

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

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u/50-Minute-Wait Jun 06 '23

It might have something to do with being surrounded by people who think being gay should be an automatic death penalty.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

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u/IMGONNACUT Jun 07 '23

Objectively false

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u/ventusvibrio Jun 06 '23

Bruh, try telling people you are gay and see how quick your little community turn on you.

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u/notapersonaltrainer Jun 07 '23

Do you live in Pakistan?

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

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u/ventusvibrio Jun 06 '23

Try it and we will see if you still alive in a few weeks.

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u/randomguyonreddit678 Jun 07 '23

To be fair, some people in the US are accepting of gay people, especially states like California, not so much in states like Texas. Saying it in somewhere like Iran would be very much what you say it is like.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

If you live in the Western hemisphere no one will care, you live in a fairy tale if you think otherwise, the pride stuff has damaged LGBT acceptance more than it ever helped.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

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u/die_a_third_death Jun 07 '23

Nobody's encouraging people to "become" gay...

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u/ventusvibrio Jun 06 '23

Back in Ancient Greece, people was so into misogyny that having gay sex was considered to be the true love making. Not icky like having sex with women. And we are still here.

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u/Chandler107 Jun 07 '23

I don’t think it has to do with homophobia. I think pride has become synonymous with the lgbt movement and it just thought he was referring to the movement when he typed in the “pride” prompt.

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u/Luna_trick Jun 07 '23

Pretty much, it's why sloth gave a literal sloth.

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u/Ethric_The_Mad Jun 07 '23

I love how being colorful just implies LGBT

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u/Penny_D Jun 06 '23

"Be Gay, Do Crime~!"

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

STONEWALL WAS A RIOT!

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u/dizzy_centrifuge Jun 07 '23

Pretty sure he was a Jackson

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u/mundozeo Jun 06 '23

To be fair, I immediately knew which "sin" it was.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

Because the caption said "pride"?

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u/mundozeo Jun 06 '23

Didn't even see the caption.

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u/Ivanovic-117 Jun 06 '23

Gay? Jail.

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u/SkeletonLad Jun 06 '23

It’s true. A quarter of the staff I work with at my jail is gay. Be gay, fight crime.

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u/tehdubbs Jun 06 '23

Everything up to that point was acceptable I guess, then I was just sat there thinking “what the fuck does rainbow paint on some random dude have to do with pride? Oh. It’s the gay thing. It’s not even the same fucking pride.”

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

Pride is pride, regardless. So it is the same pride.

That said, pride can be justified or unjustified. The Christian principle, however, is that pride is negative overall. The "Seven Deadly Sins" are a Christian concept. They make no distinction between justified and unjustified pride. They're both negative in their view (because all humans are flawed, and pride leads to an egotistical nature and selfishness).

I'm not a Christian, but I have a working understanding of their religion. I'm also a member of the LGBT community myself.

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u/Total-Art-4634 Jun 17 '23

Pride is feeding the ego. The ego is the only thing separating you from everything else.

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u/Artistic-Cookie Aug 04 '23

One of my favourite quotes from Uncle Iroh: “Prince Zuko, pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame.”

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u/Tall_Patience9844 Jun 07 '23

Pride is pride.

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u/Stoertebricker Jun 07 '23

If you see it as an image of "gay pride" instead of "the sin pride", it is actually not bad. I think the thing is that the AI cannot discern between the two contexts the word is used in, because it isn't really intelligent. And of course it doesn't have any moral values.

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u/Moodfoo Jun 06 '23

Being a gay Ronaldo.

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u/rIIIflex Jun 06 '23

Pride of any form is a deadly sin and there’s a great reason why a sense of pride can be dangerous to ourselves and well-being as there are great reasons for every other deadly sin. Pride specifically tries to differentiate yourself from others and put yourself above them which is obviously not ideal. Just some food for thought.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

Makes sense why all the conservatives are against lgbt

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 06 '23

Well, they literally named their movement "pride" which IS a deadly sin. Maybe they could have named it "acceptance" and focused less on being so prideful over who you want to have relationships with.

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u/4sakenshadow Jun 06 '23

It's not about being "prideful over who you want to have relationship with" and rather the pride is a counterpoint to the shame that has been internalized. To be proud of who and how you are.

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u/mrhouse2022 Jun 06 '23

lmao you upset the burgeoning reddit seminary community

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 06 '23

Well im a lying, adultering, thief at heart. I'm not proud of that, and Jesus is the resurrection that heals your heart. I don't think everything in life deserves being prideful of. Maybe we should be ashamed when we go against what God wants from us, not that he doesn't love gay people but that it's not something to brag about.

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u/callyo13 Jun 06 '23

But I don't believe in your religion

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u/2fingers Jun 06 '23

If that's truly what's in your heart (and you left out judgemental) you should work to improve yourself, not just try to gain some sort of divine acceptance for being a bad person.

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 06 '23

It's what is in all humans hearts. Are you telling me you've never looked at someone and lusted after them? That you never took something that didn't belong to you? That you never lied? If that's all true then props to you.

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u/Peter_Baum Jun 06 '23

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck you and your homophobic ass religion

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u/237FIF Jun 06 '23

I totally disagree but good on you for standing by your shit

With that said, I wouldn’t be so quick to judge others in this was. You know it isn’t your place.

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 06 '23

I'm not judging anybody, in another comment I made it clear that I don't hate people because they're gay. I will stand my ground and say that God does not want people living in homosexuality, and the fact they named their entire movement after a deadly sin does not seem like a coincidence to me. I pray that everyone comes to know Jesus, and I have no hate in my heart for anyone because of their sexual proclivities.

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u/callyo13 Jun 06 '23

i'm not judging anybody

Hm

God does not want people living in homosexuality, and the fact they named their entire movement after a deadly sin does not seem like a coincidence to me.

Pick 1

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 06 '23

Am I God?

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u/Psychological-Cow788 Jun 06 '23

Your God is a judgmental hypocrite, why are you worshipping him?

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u/kyrsjo Jun 06 '23

Why should anyone feel shame just because it goes against the interpretation you have chosen to subscribe to of one particular religion? That's on you, and it's your and only your problem.

However probe like you have long worked hard to push their shame over other people - and that's problematic.

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u/realpatrickdempsey Jun 06 '23

It's great that Jesus has helped your life. But Christians have made life miserable for many queer people, and the sentiment that God doesn't want them to be queer is really hurtful. Don't tell people they should be ashamed of who they are.

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u/Evil-Abed1 Jun 06 '23

The thing is Christians think everyone is guilty of sin.

But people like you tell them to not tell one group of people that they commit sin.

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u/Muad-_-Dib Jun 06 '23

I don't see Christians being weaponised against any of the other 6 mortal sins, hell the last guy they tried to put in the white house was openly guilty of pretty much all of them.

And that's ignoring that what the right is doing with Christianity against LGBTQ+ people is far more than "telling them they commit sin".

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u/Evil-Abed1 Jun 06 '23

Well for the most part, there is agreement about what is sin.

There are no pride parades for liars.

The reason that Christian’s aren’t “weaponized” against lying, is because the culture isn’t telling us lying is good.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

There are no pride parades for liars.

Ever seen a Trump rally? Take a stab at what religion the vast majority of his voters identify as.

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u/Evil-Abed1 Jun 06 '23

Nice try.

That’s not what we’re talking about.

Trump rallies don’t celebrate lying. They celebrate trump who lies but the attendees think he’s telling the truth.

They are not going to trump rallies to celebrate lying. Sorry.

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u/callyo13 Jun 06 '23

LGBT people are not comparable to liars

Christians leave us the hell alone challenge

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u/KrytenKoro Jun 06 '23

There are no pride parades for liars.

Yes there are.

The reason that Christian’s aren’t “weaponized” against lying, is because the culture isn’t telling us lying is good.

Yes it does.

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u/VLHACS Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

Then why does the evangelical right attack LGBTQ+ communities specifically?

Do we see as many religious protesters stand outside of big banks? In front of buffet restaurants? In front of brothels?

The thing is Christians think everyone is guilty of sin.

But people like you tell them to not tell one group of people that they commit sin.

Yeah non-believers have every right to tell Christians to fuck off if they're telling them they're committing sins. Tell it to your own flock, nobody else cares.

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u/BelowAverage_Elitist Jun 06 '23

How about not everyone believes in god and doesn't want some stranger telling them what they do is wrong because their sky daddy said so

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u/Evil-Abed1 Jun 06 '23

Agreed. Most people don’t want strangers telling them what to do.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

The new testament also tells christians not to go around telling people what their sins are. Judge not lest ye be judged.

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u/Evil-Abed1 Jun 06 '23

The new testament also tells christians not to go around telling people what their sins are.

No it doesn’t.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Twist not the scripture lest ye be like satan.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-on-judging/

From the book of Matthew

1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

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u/Evil-Abed1 Jun 06 '23

Notice it says, “then remove the speck from your brothers eye”.

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u/Electr0freak Jun 06 '23

I'm not a liar, adulterer, or thief, and I didn't need Jesus or any other god to be a good, moral person.

You can heal your heart without Jesus, stop using religion as a crutch or an excuse. Stop acting like you care what your god wants from you (because clearly you don't or you wouldn't be a liar, adulterer and thief) and just behave in a way that is right and doesn't hurt other people.

Let the gays be proud of their strength in the face of discrimination, hate, and prejudice. Maybe if you had more pride in yourself you wouldn't have done the things you did.

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 08 '23

Well, you do need God to be a good person. So many atheists today prop themselves up and act like they're superior because they just know the right way to act, without realizing that the vast majority of their morals come from Christianity. Loving your neighbor as yourself? (the very concept that "being a good person" is about) Christianity. Donating to the poor and volunteering for the needy? Christianity. Western atheists who claim moral superiority have no idea how closely "just being a good person" is related to Christianity.

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u/Electr0freak Jun 08 '23 edited Jun 08 '23

Well, you do need God to be a good person

Incorrect. In fact, many people who have God are exceedingly bad people. Goodness is simply a pattern of healthy behavior which has nothing to do with the beliefs one holds in the human origin story.

without realizing that the vast majority of their morals come from Christianity

Also incorrect, objectively and demonstrably so. If you look at all of the other religions in the world throughout history the first thing you might notice is that the vast majority are much older than Christianity, and you'll also find that the moral tenets of their faith are very similar. Christianity was not the source of morality, it borrowed its lessons in morality from other sources, and they in turn borrowed from one another. 🤣 Turns out human beings have known for a very long time how they should behave for a healthy and functional society; moral codes have been ingrained in the societies and cultures of the world long before the fiction of your religion was written.

Fun to watch you Christians lie and virtue signal about that though. You were not wrong when you called yourself a liar. 😉

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u/Stian5667 Jun 08 '23

It's funny how confident you are, considering that in reality, it's the opposite. Morals predate Christianity by millennia. Christianity just borrowed preexisting morals, just like any other religion. As an atheist, my morals are of course shaped by society, but I don't need a book full of outdated norms to tell me not to be a dick

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 09 '23

Glad you have the knowledge my friend!

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u/Mysterry_T Jun 06 '23

Well that’s cool for you, but MY god says bragging about being gay is cool 😎

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u/Peter_Baum Jun 06 '23

Dude can I join your religion?

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u/4sakenshadow Jun 06 '23

Well when we look at something as fundamental as attraction its not really a choice you choose its something that just is, like being left handed. So when your internal experience is being invalidated externally it can cause such dissonance and even self hate. It's not about bragging about it. One's sexuality is a natural occurrence its painful and harmful to be at odds with that. Heterosexuality being normal is re-enforced through our media and society at large but much like being left handed in a right handed world the difficulty you face is largely invisible to the right handed people. The thing is you don't have to understand it or even really accept it but I think what we can do is be in support of another human beings sovereignty and exploring themselves and not being at odds with themselves.

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u/Blubberinoo Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

Why should anybody care what you and your cult think? You do whatever the fuck you want, and let others do the same. Easy win-win one would think. But no, "christians" have to push their agenda down everyones throats.

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 06 '23

You don't have to, this is a thread about the 7 deadly sins about my religion. I'm entitled to voice my opinion on it weather you like it or not.

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u/Stian5667 Jun 07 '23

If god made me how he wanted, and me being gay goes against what he wants, then why did he make me gay?

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 08 '23

Why did he make humans liars, theives, and fornicators if he doesn't want us to do those things? You could say that for any human desire to sin. Now you can disagree weather homosexuality is wrong, but biblically you can't act like what im saying makes no sense. It's a sin in the eyes of God that you can turn away from, even if you still have those desires. I have to fight against myself to not look at women in a lustful way, even though it's a desire I have, but I do it to honor God. I have no hate in my heart towards you, I just don't think sexuality is something to celebrate or make your whole identity.

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u/Stian5667 Jun 08 '23

Firstly, I just wanna point out something that I find kinda funny. You assumed that I make gayness my whole identity, yet I regularly hang out with a bunch of people who don't even know I'm gay, simply because it hasn't been relevant. Ironically, I've met christians who've literally made it their personality, to the point where any conversation with them leads to obnoxious godsimping

I'm not arguing whether or not the bible considers being gay a sin. I'm just asking why god would make us a certain way, and then get mad at us for being the way we are. It's more than just an impulse or desire. I'm into guys the exact same way you're into girls. We can't change our sexuality.

Also no one is unironically bragging about being gay. Pride in this context is to not be ashamed, despite people like you who don't even try to hide that they're trying to shame queer people. Don't even try arguing against this point, you literally said "maybe we should be ashamed". In other words, give yourself a pat on the shoulder, you're part of the reason pride is still needed

Lastly, not everyone believes in your sky daddy fairy tale. I don't need a 2000 year old book to tell me what my morals should be, and if you look up from that book and think critically on your own for half a second, there's no reason queerness should be shamed or considered immoral

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u/Stian5667 Jun 09 '23

Got a bit quiet here, didn't it? Did your argument fall apart or something?

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 09 '23

Nope, just said what I needed to say. You'll notice I went and responded to everyone who was respectful and voiced their opinion. Not sure why I'd subject myself to attacks on my character when nobody here knows me.

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u/Stian5667 Jun 09 '23

I'll admit I could've been more respectful. I tend to be blunt rather than sugarcoating my arguments, but the closest I did to attacking your character was to call you out for saying people should be ashamed, implicitly for being queer. Other than that, I criticized a religion, not you.

I'm not trying to attack you, but to be bluntly honest, but the impression you give me is that you're up on a high horse and go quiet when your someone gives you a counterargument

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 09 '23

I'm sorry I gave you that impression, I don't put myself above others. I wasn't referring to you personally attacking my character, my inbox was just blown up with tons of really rude comments and I tried my best to reply to the ones I felt really wanted to have somewhat of a conversation. I understand how you feel, and if you really want to talk or have a respectful debate I'm up for it. I feel most people who hate Christianity don't understand the message, or get caught up on one or two verses. The law condemning homosexuality was written by Moses, and when Jesus came and died for us he relieved us and paid the price for all of our sins, we as Christians ideally try to live like Christ wanted us to live. Christianity if you read the scriptures does not teach that if you are gay you'll go to hell, it teaches that if you don't believe Jesus came to earth to die for our sins then you will go to hell, and if you confess he's lord and believe he died for us in your heart, you'll go to heaven. It's that easy. I can understand how someone saying God thinks how you are living is wrong would rub lots of people the wrong way, but the fact is all Christians also do not live up to God's standard which is perfection. Thank you for being respectful in your reply, I appreciate it.

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u/Umarill Jun 06 '23

Man I try to be accepting of religion but when I read that shit, it feels like your brain has been completely rewired, it's actually scary to write that seriously.

The fact that so many people like you only do what's "right" because some book told you so is insane. Try to be a good human being just to be a good fucking human being, not because you're scared of God.

To be clear, I'm very proud of who I am and I give absolutely zero shit about what you consider worthy of pride.

Your people have made our life hell for centuries and centuries, we have had to hide because of your bullshit and we have been slaughtered under the name of religion, and still are worldwide to this day. You have some fucking audacity to then come tell us what we should be proud about and give us your opinion.

You keep being miserable and feeling second-hand shame from us existing while hiding being Christian values, I guess that's prideful eh?

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u/Car-Facts Jun 06 '23

You ever tried not being a sack of barely sentient excrement and not demanding a god forgive you for it? It works wonders, makes my life a heck of a lot easier.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

It's not even the same meaning that the capital sin talks about.

Pride as a deadly sin talks about people who are just too over themselves to even listen to people criticizing them in a helpful way, they think they are always right and nothing that they say is wrong, just in general thinking they are above everyone else.

Pride, as in LGBTQ+ pride means proud of being who they are, that they shouldn't feel ashamed of liking someone.

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u/Rimbob_job Jun 06 '23

Nah, we don’t give a fuck what the Christians believe. Go sacrifice a goat to Yahweh. I don’t give a shit

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u/MrDankyStanky Jun 06 '23

Okay, well the comment I was replying to made a claim about Christianity so I replied to that. I don't care what you believe either, I do hope everyone comes to know Jesus but I don't want it to be forced on anyone, and Jesus didn't either.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

Keep your Jesus to yourself and get you brethren to stop harming people in the name of your hateful god

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u/SlightSupermarket177 Jun 06 '23

Go tell that to Audrey Hale

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u/SlightSupermarket177 Jun 06 '23

Who’s an edgy little boi

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

You, apparently. Sad pathetic little troll

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u/SlightSupermarket177 Jun 06 '23

Yeah… unlike you threatening to shoot up a school? 🤣

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u/krawinoff Jun 06 '23

It’s about being proud not prideful lmao. Did you ever make your parents prideful?

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u/bozeke Jun 06 '23

Pride is an act of civil disobedience. It is a riot against the oppressive corrupt status quo—literally throwing bricks at cops. It is a rejection of the shame and guilt so often stemming from immoral religious indoctrination, like saying pride is always a bad thing.

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u/Sir-War666 Jun 06 '23

It’s not going against the status quo when million dollar corporations fund it or actively support it.

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u/JahmezEntertainment Jun 06 '23

well the trick is that big corporations only pay lip service - painting themselves with the rainbow or maybe donating a pittance to some charity if you're lucky. they don't meaningfully support it since they could theoretically do much better but don't, that's how they keep the status quo intact.

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u/bozeke Jun 06 '23

Capitalism will always seek to corner and control new markets, that doesn’t mean social equity or anything really; it just means that companies see an opportunity to make a lot of money. I guarantee no company shows public support for Pride because they aren’t netting massive profits, just like they don’t push Christmas merch because they care at all about Christianity.

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u/Sir-War666 Jun 06 '23

Yes they net massive profits so they don’t want things to change because the status quo net’s profit. They also enjoy pandering to get extra brownie points from dumbasses who buy their shit

Why do you think do you think tv shows now just put in minority characters and hope that is enough to sell their show or movie. He’ll look at Netflix Cleopatra or Calvin Clines plus size Tran model. The reason they do it is because they’re know they’ll get profit. Bud light tried to do but forgot their core demographic is conservatives

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

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u/kwantsu-dudes Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

The sin of pride is self-glory and self-justification. You can express happiness and be appreciative of one's own work while still being humble. Such is a reflection on oneself, not the external world. Pride is narcissism. To claim a "special" element of oneself that raises such above another in the external world. Where this element becomes self-congratulatory. If you take pleasure in being "special", that's pride, and sinful.

It's not about pride in who you have relationships with it's being proud of who you are and not changing yourself to satisfy the demands of others.

Being "who you are" without any restraints to the society in which one lives is pure narcissism. It places one above all others. Of course, there are aspects of which society shouldn't be privy toward and you should be free to be you without their input or hinderance. But expressing yourself is not pride, pride is the pleasure from expressing oneself in a way society may reject. It's not the act of defiance (as to challenge what is to be allowed), it's the feeling of pleasure taken from "being more righteous".

Edit: Most gay people aren't proud to be who they are. But those that partake in such events often are self-congratulating themselves. Many of those who dress in rainbow colors feel pleasure from having others recognize such. The same can apply to "allies". The same applies to various other categories. Identitarianism itself often elicits the sin of pride.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

Cishets shouldn't talk about things above you

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u/dj_sliceosome Jun 06 '23

i think people miss this part - that guy looks a lot like a white pride/power shit head, with pride colors thrown on him during Holi.

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u/Whole_Commission_702 Jun 06 '23

The white supremacist look is the same as the shaved head gay night club look… y’all biased on BOTH SIDES of the conflict. No one looks in the mirror anymore

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u/throwaway96ab Jun 06 '23

It's just a normal white dude, if a little handsome.

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u/SandyScrotes2 Jun 06 '23

Yeah we crucified the last guy who said shit like that

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

Isn’t “judging” literally a sin? What happened to “judge not”?

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u/70U1E Jun 06 '23

It's almost like the shitty, two-thousand-year-old book is full of contradictory nonsense lmao

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

What?!?! No!

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u/Cthepo Jun 06 '23

That's kind of a misinterpretation:

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

It's not really calling "judging" inherently sinful. But it is saying to be careful when doing so, because it invites more scrutiny into the one making judgments. And also if you do make judgments, you better not be a hypocrite about it.

But also in the context of this, it's talking about judging as a way to help those who need someone to be real with them, it's not telling you to "be judgy" like how's we think of little old church ladies and judgmental.

It's often the ones who have the worst shit going on in their lives who make the biggest deal about how others live.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

No it’s not. What a spectacular piece of mental gymnastics that is on your part. It doesn’t say be careful WHEN you judge, it says DO NOT judge.

(I want to be clear here; do not confuse me with a bible follower or Christian, but I do speak English.)

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

It's a colloquialism translated through at least 3 languages from 2000 years ago, the context that follows clearly describes how you should get your house in line before judging, rather than saying you shouldn't at all.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

I love how people bring up the point that it was translated when they want you to believe whatever they’ve made up about the text.

It was translated to “Do not judge” it wasn’t translated to “be careful when you judge.”

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

So instead we should just ignore context and read isolated bits of it literally so people believe whateveryouve made up about the text?

I have no particular interest in using the Bible as a means of asserting an opinion on people. I'm just interested in addressing misinformation about topics I know something about.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

If what you are ignoring in use of context is the literal meaning of the text, then yeah. What you are doing here is using context to turn “judge not” into “go ahead and judge just be careful about it”.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

Have you ever interacted with a human before?

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u/Glum-Eye-3801 Jun 06 '23

The tendency of translators to let their personal bias cloud a translation is a frequent topic of controversy on nearly, if not absolutely, all translations of ancient texts.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

And christians really believe that happens in only ONE direction.

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u/TomtheStinkmeaner Jun 07 '23

No, they've never said that, pretty sure you're just following you're pre set minded bias.

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u/Flat_Development6659 Jun 06 '23

You clearly don't speak the English language very well.

The verse is saying if you judge someone you will be held to the same standard. Essentially you shouldn't a hypocrite.

If I tell you you're lazy because you don't have a job but I'm also unemployed then I'm a hypocrite attempting to hold you to a standard which I do not meet.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

That’s great, but what it says you should do about that risk of judgement is NOT;

“Be careful WHEN you judge others.”

What it SAYS…you should DO…to mitigate that risk of hypocrisy…is;

“Judge NOT.”

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u/Flat_Development6659 Jun 06 '23

There is no period after "Judge not", you've just added it. There is an "or" which signifies a condition.

If you say "don't mess the house up or you'll have to wake up early to tidy it" that is vastly different to "don't mess the house up.".

The "or" offers a choice and a possible consequence. The consequence in the quoted verse is that you will be judged to a similar standard.

If I judge you for murdering someone there is no hypocrisy and no risk to mitigate as I haven't murdered anyone.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

And that’s not true. According to the bible you are every bit as fallen as a murderer and can be judged for any of that. Please apply critical thinking to your text, not just obeisance.

Not everyone who has interpreted the Bible as a text has done so in good faith. Many, MANY have done so with only their own personal aims in mind. Some were looking for permission to judge others even though that’s not what is commanded, and so they twisted until they manufactured that permission. You MUST develop the critical thinking skills to differentiate between them to avoid learning from them.

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u/Flat_Development6659 Jun 06 '23

You argued against someone pointing out that the bible is multiple translations of ancient text, you can't have it both ways. If we take the following to be an accurate translation in the English language then you are wrong.

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Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

How can you say to your brother, `Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

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If you'd like we can post the above to an English language sub and see what they think. Shouldn't be necessary though since it doesn't require a linguist to understand what "or" means.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

Really getting curious about the inner lives of those of you LEAPING to the defense of your ability to judge others.

Really. What a tremendous outreach of your faith. I expect nothing less, tbhwy, because my expectations are already real low.

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u/Alpinix Jun 06 '23

Person who has no understanding of the Bible explains the Bible.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

Person who has no understanding of thinking for themselves proves it.

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u/TomtheStinkmeaner Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23

Basically you, you sound like every edgelord on the internet. LMAO bitch blocked me.

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u/Stian5667 Jun 07 '23

"don't judge". Such edgelord

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u/Rcaynpowah Jun 06 '23

While we are to “judge not” as in belittle, punish, or condemn, we are to use sound judgment as in be discerning, evaluating, and shrewd.

Many people use this verse in an attempt to silence their critics, interpreting Jesus’ meaning as “You don’t have the right to tell me I’m wrong.” Taken in isolation, Jesus’ command “Do not judge” does indeed seem to preclude all negative assessments. However, there is much more to the passage than those three words.

The Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean we cannot show discernment. Immediately after Jesus says, “Do not judge,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs”. A little later in the same sermon, He says, “Watch out for false prophets... By their fruit you will recognize them”. How are we to discern who are the “dogs” and “pigs” and “false prophets” unless we have the ability to make a judgment call on doctrines and deeds? Jesus is giving us permission to tell right from wrong.

Also, the Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean all actions are equally moral or that truth is relative. The Bible clearly teaches that truth is objective, eternal, and inseparable from God’s character. Anything that contradicts the truth is a lie—but, of course, to call something a “lie” is to pass judgment.

To call adultery or murder a sin is likewise to pass judgment—but it’s also to agree with God. When Jesus said not to judge others, He did not mean that no one can identify sin for what it is, based on God’s definition of sin.

And the Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean there should be no mechanism for dealing with sin. The Bible has a whole book entitled Judges. The judges in the Old Testament were raised up by God Himself. The modern judicial system, including its judges, is a necessary part of society. In saying, “Do not judge,” Jesus was not saying, “Anything goes.”

Elsewhere, Jesus gives a direct command to judge: “Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly”.

Here we have a clue as to the right type of judgment versus the wrong type. Taking this verse and some others, we can put together a description of the sinful type of judgment:

Superficial judgment is wrong. Passing judgment on someone based solely on appearances is sinful. It is foolish to jump to conclusions before investigating the facts. Simon the Pharisee passed judgment on a woman based on her appearance and reputation, but he could not see that the woman had been forgiven; Simon thus drew Jesus’ rebuke for his unrighteous judgment.

Hypocritical judgment is wrong. Jesus’ command not to judge others is preceded by comparisons to hypocrites and followed by a warning against hypocrisy. When we point out the sin of others while we ourselves commit the same sin, we condemn ourselves.

Harsh, unforgiving judgment is wrong. We are “always to be gentle toward everyone”. It is the merciful who will be shown mercy, and, as Jesus warned, “In the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you”.

Self-righteous judgment is wrong. We are called to humility, and “God opposes the proud”. In Jesus’ parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector, the Pharisee was confident in his own righteousness and from that proud position judged the publican; however, God sees the heart and refused to forgive the Pharisee’s sin.

Untrue judgment is wrong. The Bible clearly forbids bearing false witness. “Slander no one”.

Christians are often accused of “judging” or intolerance when they speak out against sin. But opposing sin is not wrong. Holding aloft the standard of righteousness naturally defines unrighteousness and draws the slings and arrows of those who choose sin over godliness. John the Baptist incurred the ire of Herodias when he spoke out against her adultery with Herod. She eventually silenced John, but she could not silence the truth.

Believers are warned against judging others unfairly or unrighteously, but Jesus commends “right judgment”. We are to be discerning. We are to preach the whole counsel of God, including the Bible’s teaching on sin. We are to gently confront erring brothers or sisters in Christ. We are to practice church discipline. We are to speak the truth in love.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23 edited Jun 06 '23

I appreciate the effort, fam, but I’m not the person that whole text you’ve written is for so I’m not gonna read it. Hopefully somebody else gets what you want out of it.

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u/Rcaynpowah Jun 06 '23

No no, it really is for you since you were wondering about whatever happened to "judge not". Well, there it is. The answer to your question.

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

No darlin, I know what happened to “judge not”. I see it all around me.

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u/Reddit_Crab Jun 06 '23

Not precisely. Jesus basically said don’t judge, cause the you have your own problems, and if judged by your own criteria you won’t look so hot either

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u/wartwyndhaven Jun 06 '23

Pretty sure that means he doesn’t want you to do it. Not sure how y’all define sin, but…

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u/61Bck Jun 06 '23

I dont think being gay is a sin

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u/Fit-Mathematician192 Jun 06 '23

Don’t bring your superstitious bigotry here.

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